Rockman Tone in 2017
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I'll add that I have both. The Stereo Chorus is a better chorus but is kind of a one trick pony. The Chorus/Delay gives you both Chorus or Delay (not at the same time) and is more flexible in that respect.
The Stereo Chorus has additional foot pedal controls. One lets you switch between a short (20ms) and long (40ms) delay. It also has a "sweep stop" foot pedal control that turns off the sweep leaving a short (20 or 40ms) slap back echo. I sometimes prefer this over the "swishy" sound of a chorus.
The Chorus/Delay can also effectively provide a sweep stop using the delay. You set the delay to 20 or 40 ms with the feedback set to "1".
I'll add that I have both. The Stereo Chorus is a better chorus but is kind of a one trick pony. The Chorus/Delay gives you both Chorus or Delay (not at the same time) and is more flexible in that respect.
The Stereo Chorus has additional foot pedal controls. One lets you switch between a short (20ms) and long (40ms) delay. It also has a "sweep stop" foot pedal control that turns off the sweep leaving a short (20 or 40ms) slap back echo. I sometimes prefer this over the "swishy" sound of a chorus.
The Chorus/Delay can also effectively provide a sweep stop using the delay. You set the delay to 20 or 40 ms with the feedback set to "1".
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LLL
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I see this thinking quite a bit here; the truth is, it's an erroneous question and a mindset that will inhibit growth.
1.) a lot of people love the music (and guitar tones) they grew up with.
2.) all guitarists (and I mean all) have their influences. And their influences had theirs.
3.) while it is certainly true that some people focus only on one famous tone, others study various tones.
4.) the era of "legendary guitar tones" (for lack of a better term) is long gone. Meaning, there's nothing out there
for people our age that when we "drop the needle" the first time on a new album, that our minds are blown because
of the awesome guitar tone. We've all been there, done that a million times... we've heard it all.
5.) nobody around here has such a unique and kickass guitar tone to have the "podium" to stand on and ask such questions. In other words,
the typical guitar gear forumite isn't blowing people's minds and inspiring millions with their guitar tone (most of them don't even know how to record themselves).
6.) studying these tones educates yourself and can only improve your own repertoire.
But mainly, the fascination with 40 year old guitar tones has to do with reason number one.
I see this thinking quite a bit here; the truth is, it's an erroneous question and a mindset that will inhibit growth.
1.) a lot of people love the music (and guitar tones) they grew up with.
2.) all guitarists (and I mean all) have their influences. And their influences had theirs.
3.) while it is certainly true that some people focus only on one famous tone, others study various tones.
4.) the era of "legendary guitar tones" (for lack of a better term) is long gone. Meaning, there's nothing out there
for people our age that when we "drop the needle" the first time on a new album, that our minds are blown because
of the awesome guitar tone. We've all been there, done that a million times... we've heard it all.
5.) nobody around here has such a unique and kickass guitar tone to have the "podium" to stand on and ask such questions. In other words,
the typical guitar gear forumite isn't blowing people's minds and inspiring millions with their guitar tone (most of them don't even know how to record themselves).
6.) studying these tones educates yourself and can only improve your own repertoire.
But mainly, the fascination with 40 year old guitar tones has to do with reason number one.
Re: Rockman Tone in 2017
Actually, Seymour Duncan's PowerStage 700 would make a good power amp for the Rockman systems. Just get a rack and some FRFR cabinets. That's one of the things that the Rockmodules are perfect for. They let you build your own system with just the components you need.
Actually, Seymour Duncan's PowerStage 700 would make a good power amp for the Rockman systems. Just get a rack and some FRFR cabinets. That's one of the things that the Rockmodules are perfect for. They let you build your own system with just the components you need.
LLL
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I had the Stereo Chorus/Delay back in the late 80's... now I have the Stereo Chorus.
It's hooked up to my DAW so that I can run any guitar tone through it; then back into the DAW (like an insert or "loop").
My own theory on this box is Tom wanted his very own portable Eventide (Tom used the Eventide H910 on the early Boston albums AFAIC; he definitely had one in his basement studio). The Stereo Chorus has the same basic "doubling" concept as the old Eventide units: a stereo unit that does a slight pitch and slight delay between the L and R channel signals.
However, I don't recommend the Chorus/Delay as it is limited. If you're serious, get the Stereo Chorus... and if you're really serious, the Stereo Delay next. If you're just curious, then yes get the Chorus/Delay.
I had the Stereo Chorus/Delay back in the late 80's... now I have the Stereo Chorus.
It's hooked up to my DAW so that I can run any guitar tone through it; then back into the DAW (like an insert or "loop").
My own theory on this box is Tom wanted his very own portable Eventide (Tom used the Eventide H910 on the early Boston albums AFAIC; he definitely had one in his basement studio). The Stereo Chorus has the same basic "doubling" concept as the old Eventide units: a stereo unit that does a slight pitch and slight delay between the L and R channel signals.
However, I don't recommend the Chorus/Delay as it is limited. If you're serious, get the Stereo Chorus... and if you're really serious, the Stereo Delay next. If you're just curious, then yes get the Chorus/Delay.
BriGuy1968
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I am amazed at your ability to give six... count 'em SIX rebuttals to only part of my comment without bothering to read the rest of it.
My whole point is that the Rockman sound is only one of many great tones out there. I'm happy for you if you consider it to be your holy grail, but it's not mine. I would find it useful but hardly one that I would want to use all the time or as "my" sound.
Tom Scholz had a great tone for the guitars in Boston but let's face it, Brad Delp's voice was the real thing that made the band great anyway.
I am amazed at your ability to give six... count 'em SIX rebuttals to only part of my comment without bothering to read the rest of it.
My whole point is that the Rockman sound is only one of many great tones out there. I'm happy for you if you consider it to be your holy grail, but it's not mine. I would find it useful but hardly one that I would want to use all the time or as "my" sound.
Tom Scholz had a great tone for the guitars in Boston but let's face it, Brad Delp's voice was the real thing that made the band great anyway.
ehdwuld
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I love the sound of buzz saw guitars
There is an emotional angst that runs within those tones
Just like minor chords are sad
Minor 7th chords sound melancholy
Metal
Hair metal had the angst.that defined an era for me
My teens and early twenties
I'm older now and while those sounds are great for me.to remember
They are not the tones that are inside me now
The ones I am trying to find are more bluesy rhythmic
I would like to add these to the arsenal
So that when expressing that angst, I will have them at my fingertips
I love the sound of buzz saw guitars
There is an emotional angst that runs within those tones
Just like minor chords are sad
Minor 7th chords sound melancholy
Metal
Hair metal had the angst.that defined an era for me
My teens and early twenties
I'm older now and while those sounds are great for me.to remember
They are not the tones that are inside me now
The ones I am trying to find are more bluesy rhythmic
I would like to add these to the arsenal
So that when expressing that angst, I will have them at my fingertips
LLL
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I don't consider it to be my holy grail... I have several favorites (and I'm always adding new how-to vids). Which was part of my point - someone posts "Hey check out this thing I did with so-and-so's tone" and people question why someone likes said tone, and even ridiculously insinuate that they "worship" said tone. Or worse, stupidly state "go get your own tone"; like they have some kind of unique kickass tone of their own that influenced millions (they don't).
It's hilarious!
I mean, this is a guitar gear forum with people who play and like guitar, right? And these people have players they like and the tones therein, right?
It's very simple: people talk about stuff they like.
I'd say it was a combination of both. Plus the songwriting. Throw in the Eventide H910 too for good measure.
I don't consider it to be my holy grail... I have several favorites (and I'm always adding new how-to vids). Which was part of my point - someone posts "Hey check out this thing I did with so-and-so's tone" and people question why someone likes said tone, and even ridiculously insinuate that they "worship" said tone. Or worse, stupidly state "go get your own tone"; like they have some kind of unique kickass tone of their own that influenced millions (they don't).
It's hilarious!
I mean, this is a guitar gear forum with people who play and like guitar, right? And these people have players they like and the tones therein, right?
It's very simple: people talk about stuff they like.
I'd say it was a combination of both. Plus the songwriting. Throw in the Eventide H910 too for good measure.
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Sirion
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I agree, and I would go one further and say that the production in general was a huge part why Boston got huge. It might seem like something rather ordinary these days, but I think those early Boston albums predicted where music production was moving better than anything else at the time – I wonder to what extent they were "merely" ahead of their time, and to what extent they set the bar for everybody else.
I agree, and I would go one further and say that the production in general was a huge part why Boston got huge. It might seem like something rather ordinary these days, but I think those early Boston albums predicted where music production was moving better than anything else at the time – I wonder to what extent they were "merely" ahead of their time, and to what extent they set the bar for everybody else.
beaubrummels
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The Rockman in D minor is the saddest of all sounds.
The Rockman in D minor is the saddest of all sounds.
BriGuy1968
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I wouldn't ask "why" unless I actually wanted an answer and/or was trying to engage the person in conversation.
Uhhh… Have you read this thread? There's some SERIOUS tone worship going on here!
I never said that anyone should go out and get their own tone… there just aren't enough to go around. However, I do question a bit why someone would want to stick with only one tone when we have the ability nowadays to have a veritable smorgasbord of tones to choose from.
I wouldn't ask "why" unless I actually wanted an answer and/or was trying to engage the person in conversation.
Uhhh… Have you read this thread? There's some SERIOUS tone worship going on here!
I never said that anyone should go out and get their own tone… there just aren't enough to go around. However, I do question a bit why someone would want to stick with only one tone when we have the ability nowadays to have a veritable smorgasbord of tones to choose from.
Sirion
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Does anybody here want to stick with only one tone? The thread, if I recall correctly, was created to get advice on getting Rockman tones from modern gear, that is, gear that is most likely engineered to get more "politically correct" tones. Incidentally, I also think that the Rockmodules have proven themselves to be capable of far more than getting Scholtz' tone.
Does anybody here want to stick with only one tone? The thread, if I recall correctly, was created to get advice on getting Rockman tones from modern gear, that is, gear that is most likely engineered to get more "politically correct" tones. Incidentally, I also think that the Rockmodules have proven themselves to be capable of far more than getting Scholtz' tone.
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LLL
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I do.
I only want Tom Scholz tone for everything I do.
That's why I study in detail and try to recreate EVH, Rhoads, LeTekrø, Sykes, Nugent, Lifeson, EJ, Angus, Iommi, Malmsteen, Blackmore, Lynch, May, Dharma, Easton, Schon, Nuno, Page, Beck, Clapton, Schenker, Uli Jon Roth, Viv Campbell, etc ad infinitum... tone.
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(sure, makes sense)
I do.
I only want Tom Scholz tone for everything I do.
That's why I study in detail and try to recreate EVH, Rhoads, LeTekrø, Sykes, Nugent, Lifeson, EJ, Angus, Iommi, Malmsteen, Blackmore, Lynch, May, Dharma, Easton, Schon, Nuno, Page, Beck, Clapton, Schenker, Uli Jon Roth, Viv Campbell, etc ad infinitum... tone.
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(sure, makes sense)
LLL
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Well, not to be Capt Obvious, but Rockman tone is one of the tones to choose from with the veritable smorgasbord of tones available.
We just so happen to be focusing on that particular tone (Rockman) here.
Doesn't mean that's the only tone for any of us.
Two months from now, it may be Angus Young's that we focus on.
Well, not to be Capt Obvious, but Rockman tone is one of the tones to choose from with the veritable smorgasbord of tones available.
We just so happen to be focusing on that particular tone (Rockman) here.
Doesn't mean that's the only tone for any of us.
Two months from now, it may be Angus Young's that we focus on.
PFDarkside
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Those early Satch tones were Rockman? No wonder they were um.... *not my favorite*.
Those early Satch tones were Rockman? No wonder they were um.... *not my favorite*.
dystrust
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I've also heard that he used a Boss DS-1 into a Roland Jazz Chorus on a few things; at least in the studio. I remember seeing a video of him playing Montreux '88, and he had a rack full of Rockman and other stuff. His "power amps" looked like the famous '69 Plexi and a JMP 2203.
I've also heard that he used a Boss DS-1 into a Roland Jazz Chorus on a few things; at least in the studio. I remember seeing a video of him playing Montreux '88, and he had a rack full of Rockman and other stuff. His "power amps" looked like the famous '69 Plexi and a JMP 2203.
