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My neighbour said that a dash of paprika made his burgers more "zingy". I told him that you could neither define nor quantify "zinginess", and even if his burgers were zingy it was only a correlation to the presence of paprika. He couldn't prove the paprika caused the zing.

My wife says my behaviour is why we never get invited anywhere anymore. I said at best there was a correlation between our lack of invitations and my behaviour.

She served me with divorce papers yesterday. Again, at best a correlation.
 
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thanaton said:
I would lie my *** off. There would be nobody to stop me
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So, you slay p'up makers blatantly accusing'em of fraud and deceit without having any tangible proof, but by own admission, if you were in their shoes you would fraud and deceit even worse AND with intention?

You're despicable. No emoticon.
 
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JeffB said:
Seriously? WTF this thread.
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no joke.

just some people waiting on some clarification on how the Leesona is/was marketed for the SNS and someone with an apparent trend of derailing threads shows up to complain about "round".
 
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thanaton said:
I would lie my *** off. There would be nobody to stop me. The govt. is too busy regulating things that actually matter. It's money on the table.
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LtKojak said:
So, you slay p'up makers blatantly accusing'em of fraud and deceit without having any tangible proof, but by own admission, if you were in their shoes you would fraud and deceit even worse AND with intention?
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Well let's assume he was joking. But many jokes contain trace amounts of truth. And thus validates my earlier rant about projection. If you're someone who would lie to make a sale, then everyone else must be, too. If you're honest; if you can't imagine yourself saying something that wasn't true in order to sell your product, then you assume others will be that way too, and it's disappointing to find out otherwise.

We project our baggage onto the situation plain and simple. Cheaters often are suspicious that their spouses/dates are cheating on them. If you're a liar, you look for the lies. I'm not saying thanaton is a callous liar, but maybe he works/worked for a company that told blatant marketing lies about product he worked on? Maybe he always wanted a Red Rider BB gun and later realized it was a cheap toy.

I'm jaded because I have seen things first-hand in my career that revealed hypocrisy all throughout the musical instrument industry. No, I won't name names, but on a very small, benign scale I will say the first time it hit me was when my eyes glazed over a certain ad in a guitar magazine about a product's value, features, etc and I REALLY thought the company cared about my hard earned money. Then later I would see a similar ad in the music trade magazines but the headline was "highest profit margin for dealers!!" or something that showed me the two-faced nature of product marketing.

But rather than make me think everyone is this way, instead it made me able to better discern who was genuine, and who was just out to make a buck. The wrong way to be, in my humble opinion, is to assume everyone's lying until proven true; everyone's cheating until proven faithful, etc. I don't want to go through life that way.
 
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I am cool with a further discussion of the relevance of marketing, deceit, and the distrust of consumers, but not so sure it belongs in this thread. Start another one, please.
 
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hey Mincer, thanks for getting the thread back on the topic of the Saturday Night Special.

I'd like to go back to post #169 where I asked if there might be some clarification available on the Saturday Night Special and the Leesona.

thanks
 
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Someone in the beginning of this thread mentioned a trembucker version, but there isn't one listed. I did contact SD re this, did it twice, because I thought the first e mail got lost in cyber space.

I did receive answers from both e mails from the same person. One answer was that it would be a Custom Shop order, with the expected higher price, and the other answer was to go through my dealer for a Shop Floor Custom Order, which would be a small upcharge, or maybe no upcharge.

Anyone else heard anything about a Trembucker version?
 
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darthphineas said:
Customers have a way of affecting sales numbers when they figure out the truth of such a situation.
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LOL, you can't figure out the truth, because, you see, it's all trade secret.

darthphineas said:
no joke.

just some people waiting on some clarification on how the Leesona is/was marketed for the SNS and someone with an apparent trend of derailing threads shows up to complain about "round".
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We know that the mention of the Leesona winder was deliberately, and not accidentally, removed from the marketing copy. So there are two ways this can play out: 1) they stopped winding them with the Leesona winder for a later production run, they will not want to admit outright that newly purchased SNS' will be "inferior" to an early production run. Or 2) they never wound any of them with the Leesona winder, they will not admit outright that their earlier marketing materials were mistaken, since customers might have purchases the SNS' on the basis that it had been wound with the Leesona winder.
 
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Is the Leesona really an issue?

I'm of the mind that says, "If it sounds good to me, then it is good." Does it suits my needs? Is it good value for my money?

Really, that's all there is to it. Arguing materials, tech specs, wire and machines is meaningless.

Don't get caught up in minutia. Use your ears.

Bill
 
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True. If a pickup sounds good, it sounds good. However, I have to admit that the idea of it being wound on a machine with so much history has a certain amount of charm.


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I can go along with the charm thing as well but we're not talking about a set of Throbaks or some other boutique winders pickups.
Duncan is a modern manufacturer of pickups for a lot of companies as well as their own brand. If they have the recipe right then they should wind it in the most cost efficient
way possible to maximize profits. I think the old Leesonas are cool but they are a dinosaur of a bygone era, modern automation has surpassed that technology 10 fold.
You can create a new machine that eliminates a lot of the human error and you get repeat ability and a consistent tone and wind in your product.
The Leesona thing is just more elitist BS. If Duncan wound all them on the Leesona the SNS would cost $350 a set instead of $200.
I think this is all silliness about the winder and I don't know why the language was changed in the description but I think it was probably an honest mistake..
 
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it is up to the people that spend their hard-earned money to decide what they spend it on and who they spend it with.

conversely, it seems that most people lack the presumption to tell other people what they should buy... which sounds fair.
 
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Shooter.556 said:
If Duncan wound all them on the Leesona the SNS would cost $350 a set instead of $200
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Absolutely NOT TRUE.

FYI, the '59 is wound on the Leesona, just as all the other p'up models wound using Plain Enamel AWG#42 wire, including the Seth Lover and the Antiquity just from the top of my head, as the machine's been carefully setup for that one type of wire, that's being "bulk-ordered-to-spec", to ensure the same tonal footprint from batch to batch.

At one time it was used to this one task exclusively. As don't have any factual info on this being changed lately, I'm assuming it still is.

HTH,
 
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I did ask for clarification on this. I haven't heard back yet. When I do, I will post it. To me, I don't know if being wound on a certain machine means much to me, personally. But I (like you) want to assure the ad copy is/was accurate.
 
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