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Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
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Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
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frigginalex
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Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
I agree with everyone else as far as mids are concerned, but in order to get the contour I want on my amp, I scoop the mids a little. My Treble and Bass are at around 7 and my Mids are at around 5.5. It gives my Marshall the right amount of dirty bite.
I agree with everyone else as far as mids are concerned, but in order to get the contour I want on my amp, I scoop the mids a little. My Treble and Bass are at around 7 and my Mids are at around 5.5. It gives my Marshall the right amount of dirty bite.
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I think it depends on the amp and your guitar and pups. For me (Mesa 50/50, peavey rockmaster pre-amp) I usually have my mids at around 9 or 10 o'clock. I also use the mid boost on the peavey as it sounds monstrous! I also use the the prescence control on my Mesa which adds higher frequency mids. I put this at around 9 or 10 o'clock as well. So I guess its semi-scooped. I find too scooped I loose my guitar, but too high it gives my low end a kind of tin like sound which I don't like. Like I said though, it really varies by amp. I like good punch, good crunch, and a nice thump on the low end.
I think it depends on the amp and your guitar and pups. For me (Mesa 50/50, peavey rockmaster pre-amp) I usually have my mids at around 9 or 10 o'clock. I also use the mid boost on the peavey as it sounds monstrous! I also use the the prescence control on my Mesa which adds higher frequency mids. I put this at around 9 or 10 o'clock as well. So I guess its semi-scooped. I find too scooped I loose my guitar, but too high it gives my low end a kind of tin like sound which I don't like. Like I said though, it really varies by amp. I like good punch, good crunch, and a nice thump on the low end.
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Its all a personal taste really, and what suits the music at the time. I completely agree that mids are where its at. One of my favorite songs of all time is bloodlines by Slayer, and they have the mids cranked up.
but some amps are voiced differently, and my amp's settings are Low 8 Mid 1 High 8. If I had the EQ flat at 5, there would be way too much mids. I think I'll experiment a bit more now, see what its like in a band situation.
Its all a personal taste really, and what suits the music at the time. I completely agree that mids are where its at. One of my favorite songs of all time is bloodlines by Slayer, and they have the mids cranked up.
but some amps are voiced differently, and my amp's settings are Low 8 Mid 1 High 8. If I had the EQ flat at 5, there would be way too much mids. I think I'll experiment a bit more now, see what its like in a band situation.
Quencho092
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Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
unless you play nu metal, scooping the mids is a major no no. The premier rock amp of all time, Marshall, was built on bone crushing upper mid tone, i dont know where the scoop craze came from all the sudden.
unless you play nu metal, scooping the mids is a major no no. The premier rock amp of all time, Marshall, was built on bone crushing upper mid tone, i dont know where the scoop craze came from all the sudden.
some_dude
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Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
But it didn't come all of a sudden. Metallica's been doing it for over 20 years.
Scooping keeps your sound tighter under high gain, which is good for stuff like thrash, but it comes at the risk of dissapearing guitar syndrome if your not careful.
Oddly enough, Metallica doesn't scoop their amps. The run the amp normally and scoop with either the post gain EQ on the Mark IIC+, or with a rack mounted EQ between the preamp and the power amp.
Quencho092 said:
But it didn't come all of a sudden. Metallica's been doing it for over 20 years.
Scooping keeps your sound tighter under high gain, which is good for stuff like thrash, but it comes at the risk of dissapearing guitar syndrome if your not careful.
Oddly enough, Metallica doesn't scoop their amps. The run the amp normally and scoop with either the post gain EQ on the Mark IIC+, or with a rack mounted EQ between the preamp and the power amp.
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HeadBanginologist
Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
didn't metallica stop scooping their mids during the load albums?
and then when st anger happened they streted doing it again?
i guess trhats why i think load soudns great and the other tones aren't that great
didn't metallica stop scooping their mids during the load albums?
and then when st anger happened they streted doing it again?
i guess trhats why i think load soudns great and the other tones aren't that great
theboatcandream
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Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
On my eq...
30hz a bit down, 60 hz and 120hz a bit higher but still down, 300 and 600 hz a bit down againand then 1khz all the way to 8khz is flat, then -16decibles at 15khz to help remove noise.
So all in all it looks like this:
(zero)------------__-__-__-__------
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__--------__ __--------------------
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(-16)_--------------------------__
Does that mean I scoop my mids? What frequencies would be considered mids? Maybe I'm scooping my lower mids and relatively boosting my upper mids?
I scoop a bit at 300hz because it sounds muddy otherwise. I scoop at 600hz because it sounds cheep otherwise. It sounds crappy if I mess with 1000hz and above.
When using three dials (bass mid high), for metal I'll scoop the mids all the way. Put the treble up high, put the mids up just enough that I start hearing those harmonics, and put the bass up just enough to get the right level of power and fullness. But what I really like doing is putting the mids at 10, bass up just enough to make it sound right (usually turns out to a 3 or 4), and treble up just enough to make it sound right (4), but it depends on the guitar...
As a rule if I want to crank what I consider to be mids, to make it sound right my bass has to go down. If I want more bass, the mids have to go down.... it's just what sounds right to me.
On my eq...
30hz a bit down, 60 hz and 120hz a bit higher but still down, 300 and 600 hz a bit down againand then 1khz all the way to 8khz is flat, then -16decibles at 15khz to help remove noise.
So all in all it looks like this:
(zero)------------__-__-__-__------
---__- __---------------------------
__--------__ __--------------------
------------------------------------
(-16)_--------------------------__
Does that mean I scoop my mids? What frequencies would be considered mids? Maybe I'm scooping my lower mids and relatively boosting my upper mids?
I scoop a bit at 300hz because it sounds muddy otherwise. I scoop at 600hz because it sounds cheep otherwise. It sounds crappy if I mess with 1000hz and above.
When using three dials (bass mid high), for metal I'll scoop the mids all the way. Put the treble up high, put the mids up just enough that I start hearing those harmonics, and put the bass up just enough to get the right level of power and fullness. But what I really like doing is putting the mids at 10, bass up just enough to make it sound right (usually turns out to a 3 or 4), and treble up just enough to make it sound right (4), but it depends on the guitar...
As a rule if I want to crank what I consider to be mids, to make it sound right my bass has to go down. If I want more bass, the mids have to go down.... it's just what sounds right to me.
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Metalman_666
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Re: Scooped Mid Rhythm Tones: Your opinions
I recently discovered how important mids are... they really fatten up the sound but I find the bass is sucked out a tiny bit. But with a Metal Zone what can I expect
I recently discovered how important mids are... they really fatten up the sound but I find the bass is sucked out a tiny bit. But with a Metal Zone what can I expect
