Sending my Les Paul in for some long-needed work.

ItsaBass

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Hi,

I bought this '04 Les Paul Standard new that summer. It has a Latte Cream finish with the '50's neck. Until recently, it was almost always used as a backup to my Black Beauty, so I never got around to the fine tuning work that new production-line Gibsons always need. It needs a properly slotted and back-angled nut, end dressing/rounding of the plastic fret nibs, and all the frets need to be crowned. The Gibson frets out of the factory are very boxy IME, not properly crowned or end dressed (but then again, practically no guitar factory end dresses frets very well). Additionally, the stock Gibson hardware isn't very good either. Not only do I dislike the Nashville bridge design in general, but the fitment of the post anchors on this guitar is terrible. They'll fall right out of the holes if the guitar is turned upside down without the bridge on.

I've always wanted to address these issues, but they were never pressing, so I let them lie. I eventually sold my Black Beauty, so the Standard became my only carved-top Lester. Still procrastinated, dealt with it, etc. The last straw was when I was setting up the guitar after changing string gauges, I noticed that the bridge is caving. That was it! Since I work so much these days, and I like my off time to be true off time, I arranged with my old guitar guy Eric Chaz to do the needed work. I'll be converting to Callaham ABR-1 bridge with Nashville conversion posts, getting the nut replaced, and getting the frets leveled, crowned, polished, and the nibs end dressed. I thought about a whole fret job, eliminating the plastic end nibs and going with my preferred skinny Fender frets. but I think I'll go ahead and work through these stock ones first. As long as they are dressed properly, I'll like them a whole lot more.

I am very excited to finally get her into proper tune, and here she is:

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Well done. That personal touch is what many a Gibson needs to make it your own guitar.

Also, with the simple top, that is a very noble guitar.

Thanks for bringing up those frets - yes, those thin tall frets. Many years ago, around 90 or 91, I wanted to learn to play jazz and had those frets installed on a LP Custom. Its been love - hate affair ever since. That guitar hates sloppy playing. Those frets still make me pay a considerably more attention to my fretting notes.

Sorry for the side track, this is your show. That is a nice LP you have.
 
Re: Sending my Les Paul in for some long-needed work.

Well done. That personal touch is what many a Gibson needs to make it your own guitar.

Also, with the simple top, that is a very noble guitar.

Thanks for bringing up those frets - yes, those thin tall frets. Many years ago, around 90 or 91, I wanted to learn to play jazz and had those frets installed on a LP Custom. Its been love - hate affair ever since. That guitar hates sloppy playing. Those frets still make me pay a considerably more attention to my fretting notes.

Sorry for the side track, this is your show. That is a nice LP you have.

You can talk about whatever you want, man. Don't worry about that.

The issue with the frets is, IMO, not the height or the width, but the boxiness. I.e., they are not properly crowned (arched over the width), but rather, very flat across the top. It makes movement along the fretboard a bit cumbersome, and causes my fingers to catch on the frets. It can also play hell on intonation.
 
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That top is gorgeous. I don't think I've ever seen Latte Cream before. I bet it'll play as good as it looks once it's finished.
 
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Thanks. The looks are the reason I had to get it. It's a weird look, but strangely attractive. The color was only around for one year, and I'd assume that it didn't really sell well. It really is kind of like the top of a latte coffee.The outer color is like coffee ice cream, and the inner color is a slightly pinkish-tan milky blonde, which partially obscures the wood patterns. It's really tough to render accurately. Usually the middle color photographs too white, the outer color photographs too yellow, and the transition photographs too starkly.

Gotta get rid of those ugly green keys some day too.
 
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Holy cow...crappy fret work, crappy hardware...why do people spend the extra for USA Gibsons, again? :)

Cool color, though.

Definitely keep us updated. Hoping it comes back a dream axe!
 
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Yeah, I know. I justified it this way: When I bought it, I spent $1,980, and I got it and a Les Paul Melody Maker for that price. The Melody Maker was a guitar that I was really GASing for in its own right, then I saw the package deal. They rung up the Paul at $1,600 and the LPMM at $380. That's a lot different than today's $2,500 or more for a Standard (weren't they even over $3K at some point last year?), and at least they were still made of the traditional Honduran mahogany back then. I also didn't realize that the hardware was so crappy at the time! I only realized the bridge bushings were so loose a few years ago, when I took the bridge off to polish it up. And it took it a decade to noticeably collapse.
 
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It looks like an old burst that sat in the sun too long. Keep us updated on the repair work.
 
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I remember when you first bought that; it's one of my favorite finishes. I'm glad to see you're getting it fixed up! I'm thinking about doing the same think with my G6119, I like it too much to sell it, but the frets need to be filed smoother.
 
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THat is a beautiful guitar. Anything you do to it to make it "more better-er" is a good thing.
Do you still have the MM you mentioned, or has that gone down the road already? Was that as needing set up work as the LP?
 
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I really dig that color. Makes me thirsty. :-)

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Callaham bridge when you get it back. I've been thinking about getting one for my LP (has the Nashville bridge right now). I have them on a couple of Strats and I really like them there but I've never heard a LP with one. Are you going to change the tailpiece as well?
 
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I remember when you first bought that; it's one of my favorite finishes. I'm glad to see you're getting it fixed up! I'm thinking about doing the same think with my G6119, I like it too much to sell it, but the frets need to be filed smoother.

Hmmm. I bought it new in 2004, about 7 or 8 years before I signed up here. Must be someone else with the same color.

THat is a beautiful guitar. Anything you do to it to make it "more better-er" is a good thing.
Do you still have the MM you mentioned, or has that gone down the road already? Was that as needing set up work as the LP?

The LP Melody Maker is still here! I have actually played it for innumerable more hours than the Standard. It was my main bedside/writing guitar for years, and whenever I wanted to do some quick multi-track song "sketching," it was usually the guitar I would use. It needed work when new too, but I did that myself over a decade ago. I kept the stock nut, just modified the slots to be better (I should totally replace it some day). I dressed the fret ends, crowned the frets (though they were actually crowned better than the Standard to begin with), softened the fretboard edges, and notched the saddles. Its bridge anchors fit tightly, unlike the Standard, so I didn't need to do anything there. Aside from the recent replacement of the busted stock tuners a few years ago, it's all stock. I also finally got it hard case a few years back, when Musician's Friend was having a two for one sale on those cheap Roadrunner cases. Here's a quick pic I just snapped for ya:

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I really dig that color. Makes me thirsty. :-)

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Callaham bridge when you get it back. I've been thinking about getting one for my LP (has the Nashville bridge right now). I have them on a couple of Strats and I really like them there but I've never heard a LP with one. Are you going to change the tailpiece as well?

Yes, I will get the Callaham steel tailpiece eventually (they don't do the "vintage" aluminum type, as they claim it's crap compared to steel). It adds another 100 bux, so I'm gonna wait on it for now. This is already gonna run me close to 300 bones.
 
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P.S. Thanks for asking about the LPMM. I just spent half an hour playing it, and was reminded of what an absolutely wicked sounding guitar it is. Really puts the Standard to shame, actually...
 
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Dropped her off today. I'm gonna wait on the bridge. Just getting the nut replaced and the frets leveled/crowned, and the nibs rounded over. That's running me $156. He's also rounding over the fret ends on my G&L pine Legacy for $45 while he's at it. A lot of my guitars need that done, actually.
 
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Got it back yesterday. Here are a few crappy phone pix of the work. It's hard to see what was done in a picture, but believe me, the difference in playability is big. No more flat-ass frets with sharp angles on the ends and the plastic nibs. The frets finally have a real crown on them, and the ends are smooth/rounded (and no more "jump" on the transition between the frets and the nibs; it's like the fret/nibs are one piece). The thing is finally "finished" the way it should have been in the factory 12 years ago.

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Looks like it would feel excellent!
 
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