Serious question -can an EQ pedal do it all?

Natman

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Instead of changing pickups to suit your guitar or amp and style of music, wouldn't a good EQ pedal do pretty much the same thing? I'm being serious, does anyone here find they can cop single coil type tones out their humbuckers or vice versa? I swear I was getting super interesting results tonight using a BYOC 10-band eq. I'll spend more time on this, but I was able to control the equalization very accurately, output (volume slider) and compression (input gain). And then the way the eq goosed my overdrives was alot like how different pickups breakup at the amp. Is it just me?
 
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An EQ can only go so far. At some point boosting frequencies only produces noise. Now if you had an active pickup with a completely flat frequency response you might be able to go further. You would also need a guitar made of materials that would yield a flat frequency response. EQ's are useful but they don't make a Danelectro sound like a Les Paul.
 
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EQ can help somewhat, but its more complicated than that.

The biggest difference between this pickup and that pickup are the harmonics that are picked up, especially when your comparing between the different TYPES of pickups. (Singles, P-90s, Minibuckers, Humbuckers). No amount of EQing is going to make a single coil pick up (or not pick up) the harmonics that a humbucker will.

From a sound engineering perspective, when recording guitar tracks, experienced sound engineers use post and pre EQ's as little as possible. It is seen more as a way to fix a mistake than to craft a better tone.

An EQ can help you out, but your usually better off trying to get as close as possible to what you want WITHOUT the EQ.
 
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Dynamic EQ is a little different than Static EQ, which is what an equalizer does. At different points in the attach, decay, sustain, release of a guitar note, the EQ will be different. To effect Dynamic EQ is going to take a pickup change or mod.

The broader frequency spectrum adjustments like more mids, less bass, fizz removal, notching, etc. can be done by an EQ. EQ accounts for many differences in amps, pedals, guitars, etc. that subjective terms like tight, loose, hollow, fat, sweet, harsh, etc. are used to decribe.

As little as 1db difference over a broad enough frequency range can be heard, sensed, or "felt" in emotional terms. That's why one resistor or capacitor change in an amp can make a big difference in tone and/or sales.

Anyone serious about tone probably needs an EQ in there rig, unless things are perfect without it. Different Rooms, amps, pedals, etc. may need different EQ that is easier to change than pickups.

With distortion, EQ changes before hand are different that EQ changes afterwards. You can use both a pre and post distortion EQ.

One way I look at it is that the pickup does the pre EQ. You probably need to get as close to what you like with the pickup and then adjust the overall tone with an EQ.

I think EQ is WAY under utilized and understood, but for some changes, only a different pickup will do. IMHO ;)
 
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WGTP I think you hear where I'm coming from. Those are introspective comments! I am sure that trying to control every parameter by throwing more circuitry in the way is usually not a good idea, but I was just surprised how much mileage I was getting out of my eq pedal. Combining it with compression or boost or dirt was easy as pie and boosting a single frequency effectively gave me the difference between two differently voiced humbuckers say. And it really was a whole, where the breakup occurred in a different way depending on how the eq was set. Presence, sparkle, punch, grind, whatever you call it, it was all right there by fooling with various combinations. I bet you're right though, sometimes you will just need different pickups but eq could definitely be used to get SO MUCH MORE out of the same rig. I couldn't believe how well it was working for me, and the sounds were not over-processed. I did have to use the noise gate on various settings.
 
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An EQ wouldnt change the way a pickup feels either.
 
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EQ can only change the amplitude of certain frequencies. It can't change the shape of the wave...
 
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EQ can only change the amplitude of certain frequencies. It can't change the shape of the wave...
A graphic EQ boosts and cuts selected frequencies, while a parametric EQ can boost/cut and change the band width of a frequency range. So technically it can change wave shape by fattening or narrowing frequency range.
 
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a Graphic Eq Boosts And Cuts Selected Frequencies, While A Parametric Eq Can Boost/cut And Change The Band Width Of A Frequency Range. So Technically It Can Change Wave Shape By Fattening Or Narrowing Frequency Range.

+1 :wink:
 
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EQ can only change the amplitude of certain frequencies. It can't change the shape of the wave...

I think he's right if you consider the harmonic content of the initial signal, if you combine it with what WTGB said. But also note a graphic EQ can work just like a parametric where you just boost the surroundinng frequencies to give the effect of widening the band width.

An EQ wouldnt change the way a pickup feels either.

But what IS feel other than a combination of frequancies with a dedicated spectrum of output? Electricity doesn't care, it just flows as it's told to by the induced voltage!
 
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Sonny landreth runs a pretty simple rig and has an boss EQ in his pedal board. He switches guitars just about every song. i am sure that they are all custom and tricked, but he does not fiddle with settings at all when he plays live.
 
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EQ can affect the frequency curve, but it would not affect dynamics. And different pickups respond differently dynamically.

The issue of harmonics that was brought up is good too. You might boost a certain frequency with your EQ but if the pickup never picked up harmonics at that frequency to begin with, it won't be the same as using a diferent pickup that has the tone you're tryig to EQ in.

If you're happy with the dynamics, feel, and character of the pikcup you have and you just want to alter the tonal spectrum, then by all means use an EQ.
 
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I believe it is literally the answer to a lot of peoples prayers.
It cannot transform a pup but it goes close to doing so.
It can de mud a humbucker or give some midrange power to a single coil.
If youv'e found a pup you really like than a low noise graphic can shape or tailor the pup beatifuly.
I have found my "ultimate" pickup ( Gibson 57 neck ) and the use of a 15 band graphic tailors the mud out of it and gives me exactly the sound that I have sought for years.
 
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The EQ is only a tiny part of what the difference between different pickups is.

How the thing plays is much more important.
 
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I have found my "ultimate" pickup ( Gibson 57 neck ) and the use of a 15 band graphic tailors the mud out of it and gives me exactly the sound that I have sought for years.
Those vintage humbuckers are magical. Take one of those and tweak the tonal response to taste and I think manyof us will find, if not what we're looking for, something pretty cool anyway.
 
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A little 6-band EQ stompbox doesn't solve all problems but it can do a lot more than most people think. I love the Boss GE-7.

A parametric EQ can do a lot of different things but it's main purpose is for zeroing in on a frequency that's giving you feedback on your PA and surgically removing it.
 
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I use my EQ for all kinds of crazy things. Modifications to equipment become a lot less necessary once you get your hands on any simple EQ unit. An EQ can act as a totally customizable clean booster, or it can be used as a speaker/cab simulator, as well as acoustic simulator or pickup simulator. My answer to the original question is that an EQ pedal can do it all.
 
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My $35 Danelectro EQ pedal has been the best purchase and upgrade for my tone. With it, my tone is clean and clear. Without it, my tone sounds "off." Between the EQ sliders, output slider, guitar volume and guitar tone, I can get all sorts of cool tones. But best of all, it helps my guitar sound how my guitar should.
 
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Of course it gets more complicated when you start using a 2/3 or 1/3 octive EQ, or parametric. As you know, the waveform is the sum of the individual harmonics. With a guitar, the first 10 or so are "hearable" and after the initial attack the upper order harmonics fade away quickly which leaves the fundamental, the 2nd and 3rd being the primary harmonics, or overtones, left in your sustain.

With lots of distortion, each harmonic coming from your guitar generates additional harmonics, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. and an EQ is even more effective with all those harmonics jumping around.

The balance of the harmonics is what gives us our tone. It's what makes a trumpet sound different than a sax, or a Ferarri diffent than a Fiat, or a Les Paul different from a Stat, or Maple and Mahogany or JB and PG or Marshal and Fender. If your interested, it's Physics 101, Simple Harmonic Motion. Harmonics are everywhere. ;)
 
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If EQ pedals could do what changing pickups do, Line 6's could do what Marshall JMP's do.
 
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