Seth Lover vs Burstbucker I, II, III, BB Pros and 57 Classic

UberMetalDood

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Today I replaced my newly installed Seth Lovers with a set of Burstbucker 1 & 2 pulled from of 59 historic reissue. Before the Seth's, I had a Burstbucker III/57 Classic. My other Les Paul traditional is the same weight and has a set of Burstbucker Pros. I was able to get a pretty great comparison for anyone who is interested in my humble opinion of them.

I like the Burstbucker III/57 combo more than the 57 set. To me, the BB III just sounds juicier and with more balls and output than the 57 bridge. The BB III gives me more oomph and seems to balance better with the 57 Classic neck than the 57 classic bridge does.

Burstbucker Pros get crapped on a lot, but they're outstanding pickups. They're wonderful when you work the tone pots. They are more aggressive sounding than the 57 Classics, but are also clearer and more versatile in my opinion. They're not as hot as the 57 Classic/Classic +, but you can do a lot more heavy rocking with them and they also sound better than the 57's clean in my opinion.

The Seth Lovers were a breath of fresh air. They remind me a lot of the Burstbuckers from my 1959 LP historic. They sound very vintage and are kind of clean sounding compared to my favorite BB III/57C+ combo. What they have that the BB's don't is great nuance. 57's have a lot of nuance too but the Seths just all kinds of great nuance sounds. The trade off is that you have to work harder to get the tone. I rock out more often than I slow down and play nuance stuff so for me they're not as versatile. However, I recorded some Satch stuff I'm learning and they do some awesome overdriven legato stuff. Harmonics sound kind of like a little clean signal is mixed in so the BB III"s & Pros have it beat as far as harmonics.

Lastly, I end up with my historic BB's which is a BB1 & 2 I believe. Wow, they're airy and warm like the Seths, but have a little more balls and output. It's a toss up between them and the Seths as far as I'm concerned. If anyone considers a Seth Lovers set, they need to consider a BB set as well. They are actually a little less noisy than my Seths, but the trade off is that they're slightly more edgy where the Seths are buttery smooth. If you're looking for something that sounds more tame, the Seths might have a slight advantage.

I have gone through all the Gibson pickups before but never really compared them with a great set of Seymour Duncans. Before I set out to compare them all, I was confident that I would walk away with Duncans in the end. However, Gibson pickups are just as incredible. I'm having a hard time deciding whether to stick with the Seths or go back to the BB III/57C+ combo that I had before.

Here's where my comparison can come in more handy than threads like this one... I used all of the aforementioned pickups in a stratocaster too. Strat players need to start considering Gibson PAF or PAF type humbuckers for their strats because they sound incredible. One of my strats is keeping a 57' Classic set. If you're worried about the wood not having enough lows, the Gibson pickups have a way of working with the wood to produce a great sound. Seths are equally as good too, and they have enough low end. I would say that Seths have a low end quality that is between a Pearly Gates (bassy) and a Custom Custom (light low end), or about as much bass as a JB.

All I can say is that Gibson pickups are awesome in strats. I've converted all 7 of my strats to HH except for one which has a Little 59 neck. I'm getting the best strat tones I've ever had now. Try putting a Burstbucker III or 57 Classic in your strat and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 
Re: Seth Lover vs Burstbucker I, II, III, BB Pros and 57 Classic

Alot of folks around here crap on the Gibson pups (as to be expected, considering the fanboy forum we are on :D ), however the BB1/2 combo is by FAR my fave production set of PAF styles out there.

That said, I have no issues rocking Seths or Pearly Gates. I particularly like the Pearlies. has some edgy-ness like the BB1/2 but bassier, smoother/more pristine & less responsive to touch- less articulate. There is a certain quality to the mids & highs on the BB1/2 no other pups I have tried barring original PAFs have.

The BB3 I also like, though it's a bit too thick in the mids for my tastes- I' think I would like it better in a SG or a Strat. I don't get along with the BBPro bridge- the neck I can live with. Same with 57 classics/plus- I really like, but they are not what I want in a PAF style pup.
 
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the fanboy forum we are on :D

The right term is FANBOI, and it doesn't apply in this Forum.

Compared to other Forums, this is the one with actually the LESS H8rs.

Many of us have extensive hands-on experience and theorical background and because of that we deeply appreciate the excelent p'up designs Seymour has produced throught the years and continue to produce, even pushing the envelope of traditional p'up design (Zephyrs come to mind).

For the same reasons, being all actual Gibson p'ups cheaped-down-out-of-spec-stabbed-in-the-back versions of the actual designs produced by some great names in the industry (Seth Lover and Tom Holmes come to mind), are not so much appreciated, as Duncan production is both BETTER AND CHEAPER.

Many people think that the stock p'ups Gibson ships with their guitars are the best just because they say "Gibson". Heck, many don't like'em but it's alright with'em just like they're Gibson p'ups so they're SUPPOSED to sound like that, so they just get used to them.

We just know better and don't shut up put up! ;)
 
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The original post pretty much sums up my opinion too. I never yank Gibson pickups just for the sake of installing Duncans. I only swap them if I have some problem with the stock pickup/s.

About Fenders.....I've been saying the same thing for years. If you've got a bunch of Gibson pickups laying around and you need a humbucker for a strat, try it out. Gibsons have a slightly less refined sound than Duncans, in general. That edginess gives a strat some attitude.....particularly pickups like the 498T and BB Pro.

I also agree with other posters here that the Burstbucker 1/2 is one of the best A2 PAF sets out there.....possibly the closest thing to the old PAF's.
 
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Would you compare the BBs to the 59's in any way. I hear that comparison every now and then, but wonder how true it is. I don't have any experience with the BBs, but have given them serious consideration. I got to talk to Joe Perry once or twice and he said I should try them, considering they are some of his favorite pups. I just dont have all the extra money to try them all out. :)
 
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Would you compare the BBs to the 59's in any way. I hear that comparison every now and then, but wonder how true it is. I don't have any experience with the BBs, but have given them serious consideration. I got to talk to Joe Perry once or twice and he said I should try them, considering they are some of his favorite pups. I just dont have all the extra money to try them all out. :)

59's are not something that comes to mind. They have a PAFish vibe but not real similar to the Gibsons I'm using. None of my Gibson pickups are that bassy. I hear a lot more mids than 59's. Seth Lovers are very close. They're very smooth and airy like real vintage Gibsons. I put them back in my LP and decided to keep them by the way. Seth Lovers blow are superb because they make my LP Traditional Pro sound like a 50's Les Paul.
 
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the bb pro is similar to the 59, but the bb1/2/3 are not
 
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To me, the BB III just sounds juicier and with more balls and output than the 57 bridge. The BB III gives me more oomph and seems to balance better with the 57 Classic neck than the 57 classic bridge does.

I love the Burstbucker III. It's simply one of my favorite bridge pickups, period. I can do everything from vintage blues to old-school metal with it.
 
Re: Seth Lover vs Burstbucker I, II, III, BB Pros and 57 Classic

Gibsons have a slightly less refined sound than Duncans, in general. That edginess gives a strat {or Gibson} some attitude.....particularly pickups like the 498T and BB Pro.

This is why I prefer some gibson pickups over anything Seymour Duncan makes. They have a raw edginess to them that Duncans do not capture, Even the unpotted Seths.

You can worry about specs and authenticity all you like, and claim that maker "X" is more accurate than Gibson, but if the Gibsons sound better to some people's ears, they sound better to some people's ears. End of story.

For instance, I've never found a bridge pickup that sounds better in my SG's than the Gibson 498t that comes in them, and I've tried the Custom, C5, 59, C8, Demon, and Seth. I do remove the covers though. It really improves the tone to my ears.
 
Re: Seth Lover vs Burstbucker I, II, III, BB Pros and 57 Classic

There is a good thread on BB's that identifies roughly which BB is in the ballpark of what Duncan...
 
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the bb pro is similar to the 59, but the bb1/2/3 are not

You think so? I don't get that vibe from a 59 at all. My BB Pros have less bass and a lot more mids than the 59. The 59 seems to make a better strat pickup in my experience. ESP Navigators ($6000 Japanese Les Pauls) come stock with 59's and I played a few of those. The 59 is pretty good but the Seth Lover blows it away in a Les Paul.
 
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