frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
It’s actually 1981F for copper, 1761F for silver.Thats another typo from a cut/paste in an early draft and should be removed. The NAMM hurricane strikes again!
It’s actually 1981F for copper, 1761F for silver.Thats another typo from a cut/paste in an early draft and should be removed. The NAMM hurricane strikes again!
fretburner
Well-known member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Silver is the BEST electrical conductor with Copper coming in a close 2nd (VERY close). Next would be Gold. Silver and Gold don't corrode, which is why they're "precious" and in the ancient world, "magical". Silver beats Copper in every way except on price.
Silver is the BEST electrical conductor with Copper coming in a close 2nd (VERY close). Next would be Gold. Silver and Gold don't corrode, which is why they're "precious" and in the ancient world, "magical". Silver beats Copper in every way except on price.
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LtKojak
New member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
What I think is somebody at Duncan had the several Les Paul forums watched for a while and saw the unusually high number of cork-sniffers that snobbed Duncan p'ups because it's not perceived as "enough boutique" and decided that the time was right to offer'em something the others can't.
Presenting such products, Duncan's Custom Shop becames the mother of all boutique p'ups.
Even if all things explained actually ARE for real, the question that pops up is the following: is the outcome worth the $ 900,00+ price difference? I think not, but then I'm certainly NO blues lawyer or cork-sniffer either!
My two cents worth of nothing...
What I think is somebody at Duncan had the several Les Paul forums watched for a while and saw the unusually high number of cork-sniffers that snobbed Duncan p'ups because it's not perceived as "enough boutique" and decided that the time was right to offer'em something the others can't.
Presenting such products, Duncan's Custom Shop becames the mother of all boutique p'ups.
Even if all things explained actually ARE for real, the question that pops up is the following: is the outcome worth the $ 900,00+ price difference? I think not, but then I'm certainly NO blues lawyer or cork-sniffer either!
My two cents worth of nothing...
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Haters gonna hate.
I want them.
No way in hell I'm gonna BUY them, mind you, but I want them.
Haters gonna hate.
I want them.
No way in hell I'm gonna BUY them, mind you, but I want them.
Powdered Toast Man
New member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Do they actually sound different enough to warrant $1200? Probably not.
Could the tone be replicated with conventional pickup materials? Probably.
Will anyone who actually buys a set convince themselves they can hear a difference to justify having them? You bet.
I can't wait for the audiophiles to start reviewing these in scientific terms they don't actually understand.
Do they actually sound different enough to warrant $1200? Probably not.
Could the tone be replicated with conventional pickup materials? Probably.
Will anyone who actually buys a set convince themselves they can hear a difference to justify having them? You bet.
I can't wait for the audiophiles to start reviewing these in scientific terms they don't actually understand.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
As soon as Seymour invents a pickup that makes me sound like I have the talent and skill that I'd like, I'm buying a set - price will not be an option. I don't care what it's made out of.
At this point, merely having better tone won't help...
As soon as Seymour invents a pickup that makes me sound like I have the talent and skill that I'd like, I'm buying a set - price will not be an option. I don't care what it's made out of.
At this point, merely having better tone won't help...
marvelous_seven
New member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Is it April 1st now?
Or is it actually written $119.50, not $1195.0?
Damn I've drink too many meds this week, I think I should check my eyes again
Is it April 1st now?
Or is it actually written $119.50, not $1195.0?
Damn I've drink too many meds this week, I think I should check my eyes again
jmh151
Active member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Look at this way. It's for an upcoming trade show. Manufacturers want to show you what they are capable of. It's like going to a car show and seeing all these futeristic cars that never go into mass production, but some advancements used in that car eventually find their way to mass produced models.
Many time having the best costs money. Most of the time musicians have learned to make great music and tone with the cheapest gear around.
Look at this way. It's for an upcoming trade show. Manufacturers want to show you what they are capable of. It's like going to a car show and seeing all these futeristic cars that never go into mass production, but some advancements used in that car eventually find their way to mass produced models.
Many time having the best costs money. Most of the time musicians have learned to make great music and tone with the cheapest gear around.
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
I don't doubt that there are real benefits. I'm curious who will want them, though? They don't reproduce classic materials, so the retro market wont want them. If they were aimed at people wanting broader frequency response from magnetic pickups (piezo has a few undesirable behaviors, though most of those are worked around by expensive modern preamps), I'd think they'd more be looking at soundhole pickup designs, or using different polepiece designs like Parallel Axis or blades.
I've been involved in discussions about the tradeoffs for silver pickup windings, general conclusion was they'd probably be too bright (though I still thought there might be some good uses for it). Someone's already brought up oxygen free copper in this thread, but the conclusion before was that OFC would get some of the benefits a lot cheaper.
Different alloys for polepieces make a LOT of sense to mess with, and should be cheaper to experiment with, especially if ordered in bulk.
As a random aside, I'd love to see more experimentation with different insulators. Altering capacitance of the coil is a great way to tune brightness and midrange response.
I don't doubt that there are real benefits. I'm curious who will want them, though? They don't reproduce classic materials, so the retro market wont want them. If they were aimed at people wanting broader frequency response from magnetic pickups (piezo has a few undesirable behaviors, though most of those are worked around by expensive modern preamps), I'd think they'd more be looking at soundhole pickup designs, or using different polepiece designs like Parallel Axis or blades.
I've been involved in discussions about the tradeoffs for silver pickup windings, general conclusion was they'd probably be too bright (though I still thought there might be some good uses for it). Someone's already brought up oxygen free copper in this thread, but the conclusion before was that OFC would get some of the benefits a lot cheaper.
Different alloys for polepieces make a LOT of sense to mess with, and should be cheaper to experiment with, especially if ordered in bulk.
As a random aside, I'd love to see more experimentation with different insulators. Altering capacitance of the coil is a great way to tune brightness and midrange response.
Got_tone?
New member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Big +1. :bling:
The only way I ever see myself buying them is maybe through a forum run or UGD. That's assuming they cut us a good deal on top of that.
Big +1. :bling:
The only way I ever see myself buying them is maybe through a forum run or UGD. That's assuming they cut us a good deal on top of that.
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Lucid_Lunatic
Rebelyellologist
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Same here. I'd love to try a set, but for $1200, I could buy another used Gibson Les Paul and stick some APII's in it.
I'm wondering if the price will end up coming down after the NAMM show. I've saw a couple of other custom pup makers using silver bases and wire in the $250 per set range. Does the bipolar magnets and cryogenic treatment really cost that much more?
Same here. I'd love to try a set, but for $1200, I could buy another used Gibson Les Paul and stick some APII's in it.
I'm wondering if the price will end up coming down after the NAMM show. I've saw a couple of other custom pup makers using silver bases and wire in the $250 per set range. Does the bipolar magnets and cryogenic treatment really cost that much more?
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Err, it's bimetallic polepieces. I have to wonder about them all costing the same, given only humbuckers get that feature, a humbucker pair has 4 coils (the most silver), and a tele pair has the fewest coils yet costs the same? Maybe they expect the least demand on teles, so they get punished on quantity issues...
Either that or they aren't using standard tele/strat magnet structure. Interesting that they don't talk about what magnets they're pairing with the design.
Hey, I wonder how they sound with a Blackout preamp?
Err, it's bimetallic polepieces. I have to wonder about them all costing the same, given only humbuckers get that feature, a humbucker pair has 4 coils (the most silver), and a tele pair has the fewest coils yet costs the same? Maybe they expect the least demand on teles, so they get punished on quantity issues...
Either that or they aren't using standard tele/strat magnet structure. Interesting that they don't talk about what magnets they're pairing with the design.
Hey, I wonder how they sound with a Blackout preamp?
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
I'm guessing labor costs are responsible, since Seymour winds these himself by hand without the aid of machines, high on peyote, wearing nothing but a kilt and cape made of woolly mammoth pelt, while Evan and Frank Falbo do ceremonial dances in a circle around him and MJ chants in a dead language.
I'm guessing labor costs are responsible, since Seymour winds these himself by hand without the aid of machines, high on peyote, wearing nothing but a kilt and cape made of woolly mammoth pelt, while Evan and Frank Falbo do ceremonial dances in a circle around him and MJ chants in a dead language.
Lucid_Lunatic
Rebelyellologist
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
LOLZ, you beat me to it.
Hey, I wonder how they sound with a Blackout preamp?
LOLZ, you beat me to it.
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