Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

You seem to be missing the point that most people looking to upgrade pickups wont know what a Custom is. The name means nothing. 59 at least suggests an old PAF type pickup, but "59/Custom Hybrid" will not mean an awful lot to people wanting to upgrade their first Epiphone.

Is it that hard to spend a little time on the website, or with the product brochure, reading about them? I spent ages pouring over that booklet, learning about the different models. You might be right that most people won't do that, but don't ask me to feel sorry for them.

We all know they will just go for a JB/Jazz set because thats what everyone does!

Is it?
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

Is it that hard to spend a little time on the website, or with the product brochure, reading about them? I spent ages pouring over that booklet, learning about the different models. You might be right that most people won't do that, but don't ask me to feel sorry for them.

No one is asking you to feel sorry for them, we were just pointing out the fact the naming of the pickups could be clearer.
You and me spend time looking at pickups, I even made a hybrid myself - but the guys posting on, just as an example, the My Les Paul forum, continually recommend people use the JB/Jazz set in their Epiphone Les Paul, because thats all they have ever tried so they suggest that, and the newbies do the same after they try the JB/Jazz set.
THOSE kinda guys just dont bother looking in great detail at what pickups to buy, they just ask on forums.

This hybrid pickup would be ideal for Epiphones too.
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

THOSE kinda guys just dont bother looking in great detail at what pickups to buy, they just ask on forums.

And the wrong ones, apparently. :friday:
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

wonder IF bachtorock is getting any royalties from duncan for this model?:scratchch
 
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i know a couple of pro musicians. They don't have knowledge or interest to research pup choices especially wit hthe overwhelming # of models. In fact all they know is they use SD. They have no clue what model. Is that a win for SD, corp? Sure it is, they've got the brand recognition but what is the point of marketing a new product, if the public can't differentiate your old model from the one you just added to your product line.

I say, give the general guitar playing public a reason to buy the newest hottest thing.
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

wonder IF bachtorock is getting any royalties from duncan for this model?:scratchch

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Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

Cool but... another SD pickup with an unfortunately confusing name. Sure those of us here know what a C/59 hybrid is but > 90% of guitarists don't. Naming is / has been a weakness of SD. Most notably the Jazz and Screamin Demon come to mind, along wit hthe JB/Jazz set as the "Hot rodded humbucker".

I'm with AniML. We know what it means, but most people won't and will just stick with the JB because everyone knows what that is.

This is not definite, but I think this hybrid 59/C is meant for people who actually pursue tone more, than guitar player who can do magic with stock pickups, and know a thing or two about pickups, therefore, this name of the pickup should not be at all confusing. The remaining bunch who are content with a JB, or whatever other pickups they have in their guitar, probably isn't as concerned about tone more than just playing the instrument or tweaking tone via other means, so in the end the name won't matter because the pickups isn't being changed.

Actually, I think the name is appropriate. I mean if one wants to change a pickup in their guitar, one should learn a thing or two about pickups by at least researching a forum like this one to find out how pickups sound from different users (not necessarily know what gauge wire might affect tone, materials, etc-the hardcore stuff).

How can one judge tone by the name of the pickup itself? That is pure absurdity. Sure, there are obvious names for pickups like the Distortion SH-6, but the boot comes in when the pickup meant for distortion does not deliver as it should compared to and EMG or a high output BKP, a Dimarzio D Activator X, 500T, or other due to personal tastes. Therefore even the most obvious name as the Distortion can be claimed as a poorly named pickup because even though many will claim it as a distortion heaven, others will deem it that it is not brutal, tight, or unholy enough and will feel the boot of disappointment.

I used to be a n00b when it came to pickups, but I learned a thing or two about them by buying them and testing them out, reading a forum such as like this, changing magnets, selling, trading, buying more, and testing more. The names would not have done anything to me in terms of pickup knowledge, or tell me how it sounds other than label a certain sound of that specific pickup.

Even if the 59/C was named P.A.F./P.A.F. on Steroids that would be confusing as hell. Also, descriptions exist for a reason unless one wishes the description to be the name of the pickup...
 
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Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

And the wrong ones, apparently. :friday:


Completely, the dudes over there recommend KEEPING the Epiphone pickups and changing the pots (which are full size alphas these days) and caps for much more expensive ones. You could buy a pair of used Duncans for the money these guys spend upgrading pots and caps! :friday:


Those are the people that should be trying out this new Hybrid instead of changing perfectly good new alpha pots for CTS ones and claiming huge tonal improvements.
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

I say, give the general guitar playing public a reason to buy the newest hottest thing.

I guess they could post something about it on their Facebook page, but that would be silly.

Seymour Duncan Facebook wall said:
New in 2012: The 59/Custom Hybrid. The lush vintage warmth of the '59 model with the hotter crunch of our Custom series humbuckers. It combines the best qualities of both pickups because it is both pickups. Expect crisp, clear highs, ample lows, and aggressive midrange growl in humbucking mode. Splitting the coils yields the strong, full sound of the Custom coil with its 7.1k dc resistance.

Yeah, I guess you'd have to do hours of research to understand any of that.
 
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If I was SD, or any pup mfg, I would make and name my pickups reminicent of the artists or era that used them, without being so specific as to incur a royalty obligation. And I would rename just about every pickup in the catalog, and keep the current names as cross-reference (maybe as part #s) for those of us who are familiar.

The best examples where SD got it right are the 59, PG and the 78. People want a PAF, a Billy Gibboons or Eddie sound this is a direct line into the product catalog.

Who wouldn't buy the JH Strat neck pickup, the Keefer for a Tele, or the Tone-ey P90?

Who here doesn't intuitively know what these ficticious pickups are?

This ain't too hard, folks.
 
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Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

I guess they could post something about it on their Facebook page, but that would be silly.


Im a member of this forum, I own a ton of SD pickups, I have a Facebook account.
Yet I never even knew SD had a Facebook account. So I doubt the regular guitar buying dude who only owns the odd JB will be kept updated by SDs FB. :1:
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

Completely, the dudes over there recommend KEEPING the Epiphone pickups and changing the pots (which are full size alphas these days) and caps for much more expensive ones. You could buy a pair of used Duncans for the money these guys spend upgrading pots and caps! :friday:


Those are the people that should be trying out this new Hybrid instead of changing perfectly good new alpha pots for CTS ones and claiming huge tonal improvements.

That has always torn it for me. Wood doesn't matter. Hardware doesn't matter. Pickups all sound more-or-less the same. But you gotta get rid of those stock pots and caps, man, because they're killing your sound.
 
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Who wouldn't by the JH Strat neck pickup, the Keefer for a Tele, or the Tone-ey P90?

Who here doesn't intuitively know what these ficticious pickups are?

I'll admit I had to think about the P90 for half a second.

But, damn! I didn't even know Josh Hartnett played!
 
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That has always torn it for me. Wood doesn't matter. Hardware doesn't matter. Pickups all sound more-or-less the same. But you gotta get rid of those stock pots and caps, man, because they're killing your sound.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Yes and women all more or less look the same; a head a body two arms and legs.
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

Im a member of this forum, I own a ton of SD pickups, I have a Facebook account.
Yet I never even knew SD had a Facebook account. So I doubt the regular guitar buying dude who only owns the odd JB will be kept updated by SDs FB. :1:

What do you think does inform the bulk of the SD pickup market? Store displays? The packaging? Catalogs? Web dealers' ordering sites? Is there no room in any of those media for two lines of text describing the sound of the pickup?
 
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This has been a cool thread guys, but I'm hungry and gotta go foraging for sustenence.
 
Re: Seymour launches the 59/Custom Hybrid!

i know a couple of pro musicians. They don't have knowledge or interest to research pup choices especially wit hthe overwhelming # of models. In fact all they know is they use SD. They have no clue what model. Is that a win for SD, corp? Sure it is, they've got the brand recognition but what is the point of marketing a new product, if the public can't differentiate your old model from the one you just added to your product line.

I say, give the general guitar playing public a reason to buy the newest hottest thing.

Yeah, I guess you'd have to do hours of research to understand any of that.

I would say the reason is already clear. Not everyone has access to this pickup. Sure, it can be made easily, but how should I put this... not everyone has balls to take a pickup apart?, the time, or the patience to do it. By making this product available, the work is already done, and those who are afraid to attempt to do a pickup surgery have access to it. Also, it introduces more to the pickup line, 'more to choose' from. Those who change pickups at one point or another learn a few things about 'em automatically.

Another thing about the name or the description. Take a person for example who describes as best as he can how it is like to have sex. No matter how well it is described the real feel of it is not there. It may be there for the person describing it that has experienced it, but one that has not swam yet, will never know how it feels. I feel the same way about pickups.

Try them and see what works for you. That is the only way. ;)
 
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