Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

[matt_tgpg]

Hey there. Me again seeking pup advice. Got it nailed to 2 choices either the Jb + Sh-2n Jazz or an Sh6 Dist with a jazz. Which do you think would suit doom/metal the best. I'd like to buy pups tonight or tomorrow, so quick responsed would be appreciated.

They are going in a Hamer Slammer Series (les paul style) guitar. I mainly play doom metal in the Black Sabbath, ISIS, Khanate, High on Fire vein. Also like to do a bit of more technical Death/thrash stuff... Advice please?!

if you want to hear some of what i do with my band go to:

www.tgpg.co.uk

 

[Guitarist]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

I'd recommend the SH-6, it can nail those high gain moments, while I've heard that the SH-4 can be bright and sometimes thin (don't know if it'd be that bright in a mahogany body though?).

 

[KLINKDETROIT]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Go with the sh-6 or PATB2 Distortion trembucket, I like the trembucker better.

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Bump!

Come on guys I need advice!!! Sorry but time is of the essence!

 

[darkshadow54321]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Distortion

 

[Mayhem]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

The JB sound like a stratocaster, not good for metal. I have tested it myself.

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

From what i've read the Jb can also handle modern metal tones quite well?!? I know Dave Mustane uses one.... so it can't be all that bad... anyone else?

 

[Metalman_666]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

The JB sound like a stratocaster, not good for metal. I have tested it myself.

what the FUDGE are you talking about Mayhem?? SO MANY PEOPLE SAY THE JB IS GREAT FOR METAL! And it doesn't sound like a strat!!! If Adam Jones (Tool), Dave Mustaine and countless others use it for metal, then it clearly suits!

Anyway matt, maybe you should go with the SH-6 because it's very thrashy, so it would work for your style of metal.

 

[Guitarist]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

what the FUDGE are you talking about Mayhem?? SO MANY PEOPLE SAY THE JB IS GREAT FOR METAL! And it doesn't sound like a strat!!! If Adam Jones (Tool), Dave Mustaine and countless others use it for metal, then it clearly suits!

Anyway matt, maybe you should go with the SH-6 because it's very thrashy, so it would work for your style of metal.

I hate to say this, but as much as Jones' use of the JB seems like it would be a good metal pup - you've still got to realize he's using German heads (Diezels) which go for thousands! I don't know if it's so much the pup you're hearing then the Diezel. I hope in our case! I'd like to believe that a pup like that can do so much for him, even though reality probably is that it isn't.

 

[ranalli]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

I don't know, I can get the JB to sound pretty heavy.....it really depends on the amp IMO.

Both these pickups will fit the bill IMO...just in different flavors.

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Arghhh! Frustration!!! :yell:

So far it seems i might be better off with an Sh-6, but something tells me the JB would be really cool too. Does anyone have any sound clips of either doing full on metal? I can't really get an idea of what they would be like from the Duncan sound clips, the dirty tone they use isn't exactly full blown metal. So any more advice is welcome. Indecision, its a terrible thing, but i'm about to blow about 140 pounds so I may as well take my time deciding.

I've been listening to the Duncan sound clips and it seems like the Sh-6 bridge and neck pair would compliment each other very well. Would anyone favour such pairing of the same type over say pairing a bridge pickup with a Sh2-jazz as i was planning... are there adavantages to be had. I suppose the pairing with the jazz would give a more versatile tone?

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Been reading the tone charts. Looks like the Duncan Custom could be a nice balance between the sound of the SH-6 Dist and the JB. Looks to be a bit more balanced, but there appears to be a lot of bass. Could this sound good for metal, i.e. a Custom with a sh-2n... so I'm still trying to decide between this lot. I'm not gonna be playing full out thrash, shred style, as i like my doom metal and stoner rock. So it kinda needs to do both. Many people seem to love the JB, then most metal guitarists on here seem to slate it for not being heavy enough?!

So i'm getting more confused by the minute. I'm suspecting that the pups in my Hamer Slammer Series (serial no: 6022934 if that help) duncan designed, they might just be a bugget version of the JB-Jazz combo. Could i be right about that? Cause i do like the overall sound, just wouldn't mind the real deal as far as the pups go. Can anyone find out for me what they are supposed to be imitating?

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

No takers?!? Please, I need words of wisdom! :yell:

 

[mmguz]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

I can get great metal tones with my jb a fender Hor rod deluxe(a rally clean amp) and a metal zone

 

[Artie]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Ok . . . you've piqued my curiosity.

How would you characterize the "sound" of full-blown-metal? I would think that any p'up could be run through an overdrive/fuzz, and you'ld have metal. Is that incorrect?

Inquireing minds want to know. :laugh2:

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Well, by "full blown metal" (perhaps a silly turn of phrase on my behalf as metal is a very diverse genre) I mean a tone doesn't sound too thin. I want a full thick tone, with mids and highs but oen that is not lacking in bass. My main concern/fear is that palm muted riffs will sound thin. I want to pack enough punch to make these cut through in a satisfying fashion. I was worried that the Jb might not quite deliver in that department. Many seem to agree.

I'm now leaning towards a Sh-6 bridge and a sh2n jazz neck. Anyway I don't want to spend too much time clarifying my terminology... :laugh2: I just want advice on pups and these two combos I suggested...

For an audio definition of my idea of the kind of full on metal tone... go to www.stonerrock.com. click on mp3 jukebox link at the top right hand side of the page. Download thses tracks and listen

ISIS - The tower
Keelhaul - 360
Goatsnake - Easy Greasy
Mastodon - Workhorse

I want to be able to achieve these kind of tones... ideally.

 

[Artie]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Well, by "full blown metal" (perhaps a silly turn of phrase on my behalf as metal is a very diverse genre) . . .

Actually, that was a good phrase. I knew what you meant.

I downloaded a bunch of those. I see what you mean. Thats definitely "metal".

I could like several of those, just because I like all aspects of guitar, except for one thing . . . the vocals. And those weren't all bad.
But thats another subject, and I don't want to hijack your thread.

 

[matt_tgpg]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

Cheers man, just glad you know what i'm after now... so if anyone has any advice re: the pups... like i said i reckon i'm gonna go with the Sh-6 bridge and the sh2n jazz neck. Does this strike you as a good pairing for what i'm after tone wise... in a hamer slammer series.

 

[HardRockSinger]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

dude, I clicked on your band link - that is some sick **ish. (good)

let me be a 'parrot' - I have read alot of posts here and on Harmony Central.

I don't know your guitar that well (wood type and all), but DD is great in mahogany.

DD is the closest thing to the EMG 81 (it is not as distorted/thrashy sounding). DD will get you the palm mutes and thrashy death metal sound that goes good with double bass drums.

you might consider the Custom if you are looking for more tone, less grind. always a compromise...

 

[KLINKDETROIT]

Re: Sh4-JB or SH-6 Distortion for metal/doom? Swift Help Needed!

I just put a Custom 5 in my mohagony schecter and love the thump/ not as compressed as the distrtion and more breathy. I like the distortion pu but it has too much gain and compression with my dual rectifier. I play heavy music and like the rawness of the custom 5 for what its worth?