Short Cliffs Of Dover

[barbarianbrute]

I'm still learning this one note-for-note, so please excuse a little sloppieness. this is a clip with my new jvm head and 1/2 cab, dimarzio pups in a strat. i'll post a full cover once i finish learning to pick note-for-note (i know it's tedious and i play my own really cool kind of metal version of it, but i'd rather play it as he does :bowdown

i'd appreciate some comments on my tone/eq/playing, etc... thanks

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[Farkus]

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Man, I like the tone you're getting there. One of the new JVM's huh? Sounds nice. What pickups are you using in your Strat?

 

[barbarianbrute]

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thanks. dimarzio virtual vintage solo in the bridge and solo pro in the middle and neck. oh man i love these pickups. besides the custom custom, these are really the only pickups i've kept over the years. probably some of the best single humbuckers i've ever played.

 

[JustWendell]

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metal version is A-ok by me:fing2:. Good tone, just work on the transitions a bit more and you'll be there.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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thanks but i'm too lazy to go back and record it again. i'm a record once kind of guy, so if i don't catch it all the first time, it's going out anyway. once i learn the whole song note-for-note i'll record it with much better playing. :dunno:

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Well ... you have nice tone in your fingers, very good playing. Yes its plexish tone, very much so, the reverb is ok, but a bit ... I dont know .... cold? You see, I really believe that you can get this tone by couple'a nice boxes and some other marshall or a clone for less. My beef with marshall these days is that you overpay, plain and simple. In the end I wanna play my stuff and I dont need all the options JVM gives. If you wanna play bunch of covers .. well yeah, then JVM is usefull but you dont have to get still there are less expensive ways of doing it. Its good, I never was able to get my DSL to sound remotely close to that. But is it worth the price considering everything? IMHO - no. Good playing dude.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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Well ... you have nice tone in your fingers, very good playing. Yes its plexish tone, very much so, the reverb is ok, but a bit ... I dont know .... cold? You see, I really believe that you can get this tone by couple'a nice boxes and some other marshall or a clone for less. My beef with marshall these days is that you overpay, plain and simple. In the end I wanna play my stuff and I dont need all the options JVM gives. If you wanna play bunch of covers .. well yeah, then JVM is usefull but you dont have to get still there are less expensive ways of doing it. Its good, I never was able to get my DSL to sound remotely close to that. But is it worth the price considering everything? IMHO - no. Good playing dude.

thanks for the feedback man. i could agree with you about overpricing, but i actually got the jvm brand new for $1400. i would never have been able to justify the purchase if i had to pay near retail. i am looking at the laney tt 50 combo now though, so maybe i'll like htat better.

i certainly don't like to play covers. i usually tend to learn pieces of songs and solos that i really like and incorporate them into my playing. the jvm though has helped me finally achieve the tone i've always wanted. it really is a vast improvement for marshall i think, and the controls aren't that bad. if anyone formerly against marshalls gave the jvm a fair chance, they would probably change their minds. like i said, i'm very impressed and feel like i spent a fortune on a botique amp. it really is that good - except for the reverb of course

 

[wahwah]

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It sounds to me like you're on track to producing a good balance between playing ability and solid tone. It's a little generic at the moment, but that isn't helped by the fact that it's such a well known piece. This is a good stepping stone to developing your own voice, which no doubt will shine through when you play your own stuff from the heart. My suggestion would be to keep exploring the emotional content of your playing through your bends and vibrato and making each note sing as opposed to just getting through the piece methodically. In my opinion, this is one of the main elements that seperates the really good players from the average.

Of course, you can ditch the reverb too, it's washing out the tone in that clip, but you already know that. Otherwise, congratulations on finding an amp that comes closer to matching the tones you like.



Cheers..........................wahwah

 

[beggar_guitar]

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Nice tone. It's very Thick.

Most defintely one of my fave tunes, and on my "Must Learn" list. Good job.

+1 on pulling back the reverb. It's a bit much.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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thanks for the input. i wasn't sure about the reverb because it sounds like there's a lot of reverb on the cd. i normally use just a little reverb to wet the tone a bit. but i'm still learning how to get good tone. i'd like to learn a bit more about using effects like delay and reverb because i've never used much of them. if you have some advice, that would be appreciated. plus, i've recently changed my entire picking technique, so it's a little more difficult to get the tone because i'm not digging in as much. i'm kind of brushing the strings a lot more now. to be quite honest, i've studied quite a bit about ej's right hand technique as of late and that's how i've developed mine.

i think it's starting to come through on my playing a little bit, but i can't cheat as much as i'm used to now, so i tend to mess up here and there. hopefully i can get my picking accuracy and speed back up within a year.

 

[suislidE03]

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Id really like to know how heavy this thing can get.. stick the humbuckers in there!

 

[barbarianbrute]

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i can try it with a custom custom if you want

 

[Aceman]

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Really great. The feel of a lot of the moves was right on! There was something a little bright/metallic with the lower tones? Not sure if you know what I mean.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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yeah i caught that too. i think it's because i used a jeckle and hyde pedal with the plexi channel on my jvm. also, i probably use my right hand for 60% of the string muting i do. i don't rely primarily on my left hand to keep the strings quiet. plus, i play a lot of metal so i tend to get a chunkier muted sound on the bottom strings inadvertently. it's probably partially because of the pedal, digital reverb, and palm muting.

thanks for noticing. that's something i need to work on. then again, i have enough to work on with learning the rest of this song note-for-note. i'm going to practice this song until i have it down exactly then post and see what you guys think.

we'll consider it an experiment in the effectiveness of guitar instruction videos since i used ej's video to develop my new right hand technique.