Sig:X anyone?
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rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
He started it! Ha ha.
That seems to be a step in a new direction for VHT. I'm completely surprised but it could be a good thing for sure. Can't wait to try one, although the money trees aren't growing too well in my garden.
He started it! Ha ha.
That seems to be a step in a new direction for VHT. I'm completely surprised but it could be a good thing for sure. Can't wait to try one, although the money trees aren't growing too well in my garden.
JoeHammersmith
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SlopternatePicking
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Not really. The Pittbull 45 is a blues rock amp. Nowhere near the gain of the high gain Pittbull/Deliverance series, and it's obviously gonna sound more loose.
That's cuz all you look at are the VHTs that do metal.
Surprise:
Not really. The Pittbull 45 is a blues rock amp. Nowhere near the gain of the high gain Pittbull/Deliverance series, and it's obviously gonna sound more loose.
That's cuz all you look at are the VHTs that do metal.
Surprise:
Lol. Funny reading this because when you rave about an amp the first thing you say is "tight bottom end" then "great cleans." Really, that's all a metal player needs most of the time.
daemon barbeque
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
So I talked to my VHT dealer and he said that teh Sig X can be tight if needed ,but no competition to UL ,and closer to Deliverance.
He is a tigh playing riff machine and knows my music. So I accept and thrust his reviews.
It comes down how Tight it have to be.
there is no bad VHT amp ,all of them are extremely good.
Just find out the right voicing for you ,and if they don't build the right amp for you ,move on!
So I talked to my VHT dealer and he said that teh Sig X can be tight if needed ,but no competition to UL ,and closer to Deliverance.
He is a tigh playing riff machine and knows my music. So I accept and thrust his reviews.
It comes down how Tight it have to be.
there is no bad VHT amp ,all of them are extremely good.
Just find out the right voicing for you ,and if they don't build the right amp for you ,move on!
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
That's 1 amp which isn't readily available vs Pittbull UL, Pittbull CL, Pittbull CLX, Deliverance.
Simple mathematics would say which is the VHT direction (in Steve Fryette's mind) and which is the opposite.
If the 40w setting is more akin to the P-45 then that's clever from Steve since it gives another option.
Nope.
I didn't design the amps, I just play em.
You assume a lot. Do you have any idea what type of music I play, listen to etc? Obviously not.
Wow, :eyecrazy:
So because someone plays metal (which fyi I listen to a LOT less than fusion) they can't possibly want great cleans or basically anything other than a high gain rhythm channel?
That may be the case with extreme metal (I listen to plenty of death metal where the tone is ridiculously crap) but I (and a few friends) DON'T take that approach at all. We're more into quality of tone than how high the gain is and other metal generalizations. We also don't wear black all the time god forbid.
It's not a crime to like an amp with great low-end response, that isn't the be-all and end-all (Actually my MG30dfxhas a pretty tight low end. Ha ha), but it's a preferance of mine for sure and NO i'm not a metal player primarily (Although I do like metal of course).
I don't like VHT's JUST because of the tight low end since I really dislike Engl's. I like the fact they (VHT) don't compress at all even with the gain up full (the sound is very natural), the harmonic response is great, the cleans are awesome, the dynamic response is great (if you can play), I like the dry nature of VHT's, here is no fizz even with the volume up to "ludicrous" (ha ha) I like how the mids aren't full-on (but are there- VHT's aren't thin by any stretch of the imagination!) and the highs aren't harsh/overbearing.
The UL has this image of bearing a metal monster but it's a very versatile amp.
I think it's the best allround amp I've played and, again, I didn't just go through a repertoire of metal riffs so ask before you assume.
I understand where you're coming from since the majority of VHT clips you hear are "metal" with way too much gain so you've taken that to be the norm. It may be the case in the US but it isn't with me and my friends. Maybe we're the exception as opposed to the rule but I can't help how other people think.
That's 1 amp which isn't readily available vs Pittbull UL, Pittbull CL, Pittbull CLX, Deliverance.
Simple mathematics would say which is the VHT direction (in Steve Fryette's mind) and which is the opposite.
If the 40w setting is more akin to the P-45 then that's clever from Steve since it gives another option.
Nope.
I didn't design the amps, I just play em.
You assume a lot. Do you have any idea what type of music I play, listen to etc? Obviously not.
Wow, :eyecrazy:
So because someone plays metal (which fyi I listen to a LOT less than fusion) they can't possibly want great cleans or basically anything other than a high gain rhythm channel?
That may be the case with extreme metal (I listen to plenty of death metal where the tone is ridiculously crap) but I (and a few friends) DON'T take that approach at all. We're more into quality of tone than how high the gain is and other metal generalizations. We also don't wear black all the time god forbid.
It's not a crime to like an amp with great low-end response, that isn't the be-all and end-all (Actually my MG30dfxhas a pretty tight low end. Ha ha), but it's a preferance of mine for sure and NO i'm not a metal player primarily (Although I do like metal of course).
I don't like VHT's JUST because of the tight low end since I really dislike Engl's. I like the fact they (VHT) don't compress at all even with the gain up full (the sound is very natural), the harmonic response is great, the cleans are awesome, the dynamic response is great (if you can play), I like the dry nature of VHT's, here is no fizz even with the volume up to "ludicrous" (ha ha) I like how the mids aren't full-on (but are there- VHT's aren't thin by any stretch of the imagination!) and the highs aren't harsh/overbearing.
The UL has this image of bearing a metal monster but it's a very versatile amp.
I think it's the best allround amp I've played and, again, I didn't just go through a repertoire of metal riffs so ask before you assume.
I understand where you're coming from since the majority of VHT clips you hear are "metal" with way too much gain so you've taken that to be the norm. It may be the case in the US but it isn't with me and my friends. Maybe we're the exception as opposed to the rule but I can't help how other people think.
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rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Cool.
The Deliverance is still plenty tight if required.
That's actually what I'm trying to stress. It has to be a very loose amp to be a hinderance.
I don't think that should put anyone off of the ig:X before they try it (which it wont with Joe).
Cool.
The Deliverance is still plenty tight if required.
That's actually what I'm trying to stress. It has to be a very loose amp to be a hinderance.
I don't think that should put anyone off of the ig:X before they try it (which it wont with Joe).
JoeHammersmith
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
No I definitely not put off by any negative reviews. I take them seriously, but I'm definitely going to try it out and see what's to my liking or not.
I like that the 40 watt setting is different as it would provide a lot of versatility if I want to be versatile from time to time.
No I definitely not put off by any negative reviews. I take them seriously, but I'm definitely going to try it out and see what's to my liking or not.
I like that the 40 watt setting is different as it would provide a lot of versatility if I want to be versatile from time to time.
SlopternatePicking
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
What do you mean assume? I know you listen to a lot of fusion and classical, but really most of the amps you talk about are metal amps, and you always start off with "tonal hallmark" which always has "tight low end" in. Am I wrong?
Nope, but it's not like you go in depth into other aspects of high gain amps. You hardly ever speak of the mid gain stuff considering you play fusion a lot (and you don't even need that tight of a tone there, you'd be better off with a more fluid tone in that genre). Most of the time it's raving about how tight the low end is.
Yeah whatever. Tight low end is one of those "other metal generalizations."
True, but most of the time it seems like you're only looking for tight low end and you say those that don't are crap. It's like your "Bogners are saggy" generalization.
Versatile? Probably, to a certain degree. But imo the tone's too bland (which is what you've said in the past, and after playing more, have to agree) for fusion or blues. Fat, juicy lead tone? That's one thing the UL really isn't too good at. It's more than acceptable for metal, I'll say (since my playing style is all alternate picked stuff), but for fusioners I thought you'd say the UL would need tone that has more personality and attitude.
Not really. I've played enough to come to the conclusion that their tone really is on the cold side. Good enough for most, but I'm looking for something better.
What do you mean assume? I know you listen to a lot of fusion and classical, but really most of the amps you talk about are metal amps, and you always start off with "tonal hallmark" which always has "tight low end" in. Am I wrong?
Nope, but it's not like you go in depth into other aspects of high gain amps. You hardly ever speak of the mid gain stuff considering you play fusion a lot (and you don't even need that tight of a tone there, you'd be better off with a more fluid tone in that genre). Most of the time it's raving about how tight the low end is.
Yeah whatever. Tight low end is one of those "other metal generalizations."
True, but most of the time it seems like you're only looking for tight low end and you say those that don't are crap. It's like your "Bogners are saggy" generalization.
Versatile? Probably, to a certain degree. But imo the tone's too bland (which is what you've said in the past, and after playing more, have to agree) for fusion or blues. Fat, juicy lead tone? That's one thing the UL really isn't too good at. It's more than acceptable for metal, I'll say (since my playing style is all alternate picked stuff), but for fusioners I thought you'd say the UL would need tone that has more personality and attitude.
Not really. I've played enough to come to the conclusion that their tone really is on the cold side. Good enough for most, but I'm looking for something better.
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
On the MAB forum, Yes, because the majority of threads & posts are about amps which known metal players use. The majority of players on there are 99% metal fans so it's pointless raving about Cornford for example (Although the Mk5-0 can deliver quite a good "shred" sound if that's what people are after).
A tight low end IS a tonal hallmark of the VHT high gain heads I mentioned earlier (maybe not the Sig:X since I've yet to play it) so it's a good rec for people loking for a metal tone. Not many people on the MAB forum would care about harmonic or dynamic response and the finer qualities.
I prefer high gain amps but have the gain low. Mid gain amps would almost certainly require an OD pedal to get to Meshuggah tone and while I predominantely listen to fusion, I am a metal fan too and I'd rather have both options.
Again, the only board other than this I'm regularly on is the MAB board where 99% of the threads/questions are about metal amps. Not being horrible to the guys on there, but If I were to start a "good amp for fusion" thread, how many people would actually comment? 5 MAX, 1 would be you and the other 4 I talk too through PM's anyway so it's pointless.
A more fluid tone is on the face of it best for fusion and if I were to have an amp JUST for thatgenre, in all honesty it wouldn't be the UL, but that doesn't mean to say you can't get a great tone from it. Maybe not the archetypal fusion tone but I'm not into replicating other people's tones. You know my opinion on metal tones with WAY too much gain for example.
Bogner's are saggy, barring the XTC. But I also rave about the Shiva 6L6 combo's cleans which are awesome.
I think amps which have a truly saggy low-end are rubbish for metal which is why I don't recommend them for that genre.
If someone were to ask me what's the best amp for fusion ONLY, I wouldn't care if it has a tight low end or not.
I don't necessarily have nor want a typical "fusion" tone when playing these amps. The dynamic response in the UL is tailor made for McLaughlin-esque lines. That's also possible for Holdsworth-esque phrases although needless to say, the liquidy & smooth tone best suits Holdsworth himself. I'm not Allan (no ****. Lol) and I did say the VHT UL is my fave allround amp, not necessarily for fusion on it's own. Allan's tone is too synthetic for my liking. It suits him to a T and he's had perennial great tone (der. Lol), but for anyone else I'm not sure.
Play "House of Mirrors" through the UL clean channel & tell me that isn't 1 of the most beautiful clean tones you've heard. I've played the Vox AC, Fender '57 Twin, '64 Vibrolux, Roland JC so it's not just that I haven't played amps with great clean tones. Sure, It probably doesn't touch the Trainwreck Express but ignorance is bliss. Ha ha.
"Better" is relative though. It's all about what's best for the individual and what compliments their playing style.
Jim Hall would say the Polytone Mini-Brute is the best for him, but is it the best for an equally great player such as Joel Rivard? No, cos It depends on the player.
On the MAB forum, Yes, because the majority of threads & posts are about amps which known metal players use. The majority of players on there are 99% metal fans so it's pointless raving about Cornford for example (Although the Mk5-0 can deliver quite a good "shred" sound if that's what people are after).
A tight low end IS a tonal hallmark of the VHT high gain heads I mentioned earlier (maybe not the Sig:X since I've yet to play it) so it's a good rec for people loking for a metal tone. Not many people on the MAB forum would care about harmonic or dynamic response and the finer qualities.
I prefer high gain amps but have the gain low. Mid gain amps would almost certainly require an OD pedal to get to Meshuggah tone and while I predominantely listen to fusion, I am a metal fan too and I'd rather have both options.
Again, the only board other than this I'm regularly on is the MAB board where 99% of the threads/questions are about metal amps. Not being horrible to the guys on there, but If I were to start a "good amp for fusion" thread, how many people would actually comment? 5 MAX, 1 would be you and the other 4 I talk too through PM's anyway so it's pointless.
A more fluid tone is on the face of it best for fusion and if I were to have an amp JUST for thatgenre, in all honesty it wouldn't be the UL, but that doesn't mean to say you can't get a great tone from it. Maybe not the archetypal fusion tone but I'm not into replicating other people's tones. You know my opinion on metal tones with WAY too much gain for example.
Bogner's are saggy, barring the XTC. But I also rave about the Shiva 6L6 combo's cleans which are awesome.
I think amps which have a truly saggy low-end are rubbish for metal which is why I don't recommend them for that genre.
If someone were to ask me what's the best amp for fusion ONLY, I wouldn't care if it has a tight low end or not.
I don't necessarily have nor want a typical "fusion" tone when playing these amps. The dynamic response in the UL is tailor made for McLaughlin-esque lines. That's also possible for Holdsworth-esque phrases although needless to say, the liquidy & smooth tone best suits Holdsworth himself. I'm not Allan (no ****. Lol) and I did say the VHT UL is my fave allround amp, not necessarily for fusion on it's own. Allan's tone is too synthetic for my liking. It suits him to a T and he's had perennial great tone (der. Lol), but for anyone else I'm not sure.
Play "House of Mirrors" through the UL clean channel & tell me that isn't 1 of the most beautiful clean tones you've heard. I've played the Vox AC, Fender '57 Twin, '64 Vibrolux, Roland JC so it's not just that I haven't played amps with great clean tones. Sure, It probably doesn't touch the Trainwreck Express but ignorance is bliss. Ha ha.
"Better" is relative though. It's all about what's best for the individual and what compliments their playing style.
Jim Hall would say the Polytone Mini-Brute is the best for him, but is it the best for an equally great player such as Joel Rivard? No, cos It depends on the player.
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Yeah same here.
If the 100w OD channel is similar to the Deliverence and the 40w is similar to the P-45 then what an amp!
Yeah same here.
If the 100w OD channel is similar to the Deliverence and the 40w is similar to the P-45 then what an amp!