I have a guitar with only a bridge bucker which I like tremendously but I'm wondering if I it is possible to set up a lead profile with some EQing included that sounds like I'm using the neck pickup for soloing. Would that be possible with say an AxeFX or a Kemper or maybe even Line6 stuff?
Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Well, that isn't the way a Fractal/Kemper/Helix works...it doesn't physically model each string (which is what you would need). The sound of a neck pickup is more complex than just effects, EQ, amp, mic, or cab type. The closest I've heard to this technology is Roland's VG-99 or GP-10..or Line6's Variax guitars, which do a respectable job.
Well, that isn't the way a Fractal/Kemper/Helix works...it doesn't physically model each string (which is what you would need). The sound of a neck pickup is more complex than just effects, EQ, amp, mic, or cab type. The closest I've heard to this technology is Roland's VG-99 or GP-10..or Line6's Variax guitars, which do a respectable job.
ErikH
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Does the guitar have a tone control? If it does, roll it back. I do that with my Esquire and SG Jr. It's definitely not the same but gets me "close enough". If you don't have a tone control, a simple graphic EQ pedal would do the trick to get you "close enough" like the Boss GE-7.
Does the guitar have a tone control? If it does, roll it back. I do that with my Esquire and SG Jr. It's definitely not the same but gets me "close enough". If you don't have a tone control, a simple graphic EQ pedal would do the trick to get you "close enough" like the Boss GE-7.
ehdwuld
A Ficus
Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
yea that was my first thought
EQ of some sort
pedal preferably
yea that was my first thought
EQ of some sort
pedal preferably
Diego
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
I wonder if anyone's invented already an active control of sorts, in the shape of a tone pot that not only would roll back some treble like a tone pot does, but also add a bit of low-mids/lows as if it was a neck pickup? You'd roll that back and BAM! Instant fake neck pickup sounds.
However, in my experience... a well dialed fuzz pedal can do this, for more styles than you'd believe.
It will thicken up the signal and make it as hot or mild as you want.
I wonder if anyone's invented already an active control of sorts, in the shape of a tone pot that not only would roll back some treble like a tone pot does, but also add a bit of low-mids/lows as if it was a neck pickup? You'd roll that back and BAM! Instant fake neck pickup sounds.
However, in my experience... a well dialed fuzz pedal can do this, for more styles than you'd believe.
It will thicken up the signal and make it as hot or mild as you want.
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Sounds like a lot of technology to do what fuzz, distortion and other boost pedals have done for like 70 years....
Sounds like a lot of technology to do what fuzz, distortion and other boost pedals have done for like 70 years....
beaubrummels
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
The other thing that helps, which no one has mentioned yet, is actually moving your picking hand toward the neck just enough to get a warmer rounder tone off the strings but still being clear.
Another thing that kind of does it is an Esquire dark circuit. It's a simple RC network that simulates an acoustic jazz guitar (or that was it's intent). I'm talking about the 2-cap 1-resistor version, not the fake single cap that guys think is equivalent (but it isn't.) The real one leaks treble, so you get the pluck and scratch of the strings, plenty of bass and a bit of scoop in the mids, but all from the bridge pickup.
The other thing that helps, which no one has mentioned yet, is actually moving your picking hand toward the neck just enough to get a warmer rounder tone off the strings but still being clear.
Another thing that kind of does it is an Esquire dark circuit. It's a simple RC network that simulates an acoustic jazz guitar (or that was it's intent). I'm talking about the 2-cap 1-resistor version, not the fake single cap that guys think is equivalent (but it isn't.) The real one leaks treble, so you get the pluck and scratch of the strings, plenty of bass and a bit of scoop in the mids, but all from the bridge pickup.
backporchpicker
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Why not just add a neck pickup?
If that is not practical for some reason the best thing is to follow beaubrummels advice: by moving your picking hand toward the neck and changing the pick angle you can get a neck tone. It will take a good bit of practice but a worthwhile skill to develop.
Electronic simulation can do many things but it seems that we have come to rely and expect too much from technology and in so lost some of the art of guitar playing.
Why not just add a neck pickup?
If that is not practical for some reason the best thing is to follow beaubrummels advice: by moving your picking hand toward the neck and changing the pick angle you can get a neck tone. It will take a good bit of practice but a worthwhile skill to develop.
Electronic simulation can do many things but it seems that we have come to rely and expect too much from technology and in so lost some of the art of guitar playing.
Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Well, I don't think a fuzz pedal or any effects for that matter can simulate the tone and feel of a neck pickup that is in the right place for a 22 fret guitar. You will never get that out of a tone control, and never out of a 24 fret guitar's neck pickup, either. The Variax and VG-8/88 come close. The neck pickup 'sound' is much more than EQ or fuzz level.
Well, I don't think a fuzz pedal or any effects for that matter can simulate the tone and feel of a neck pickup that is in the right place for a 22 fret guitar. You will never get that out of a tone control, and never out of a 24 fret guitar's neck pickup, either. The Variax and VG-8/88 come close. The neck pickup 'sound' is much more than EQ or fuzz level.
Synapsys
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
http://c1.zzounds.com/media/fit,201...550XHRSP-7d4696a73d03783f5a43940c5d437361.jpg
This Ibanez RG55xh did have a neck pickup simulator, that was supposed to do the job. I never tried on, though...
http://c1.zzounds.com/media/fit,201...550XHRSP-7d4696a73d03783f5a43940c5d437361.jpg
This Ibanez RG55xh did have a neck pickup simulator, that was supposed to do the job. I never tried on, though...
Obsessive Compulsive
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Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Maybye an octave pedal with the 'Tone' and 'Direct' set almost all the way back.
Maybye an octave pedal with the 'Tone' and 'Direct' set almost all the way back.
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Simulate neck pickup with modeling technology?
Everything about the harmonic structure is off. It has very little to do with EQ curve or voicing.
Closest I've ever heard though, is a phaser when it gets to the throatiest part of the curve, or some very specific Flangers with negative (phase inverted) feedback loops. Envelope filters that go down instead of up, like the old Boss T-Wah and Dynamic Filter can be manipulated to do it a little but my choice, if i had to do it...is the Pigtronix Envelope Phaser. I have the small Bass version. You would set the sensitivity high so it was almost always pegged, and play with the resonance until you got the desired result. Set in the "down" position.
Everything about the harmonic structure is off. It has very little to do with EQ curve or voicing.
Closest I've ever heard though, is a phaser when it gets to the throatiest part of the curve, or some very specific Flangers with negative (phase inverted) feedback loops. Envelope filters that go down instead of up, like the old Boss T-Wah and Dynamic Filter can be manipulated to do it a little but my choice, if i had to do it...is the Pigtronix Envelope Phaser. I have the small Bass version. You would set the sensitivity high so it was almost always pegged, and play with the resonance until you got the desired result. Set in the "down" position.
