blake da teleman
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can anyone tell me the reason for the slanted humbucker in a kramer beretta?, just curious becuase i have no clue why.
slanted hum?
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Gamera
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Re: slanted hum?
Honestly, I think it's another one of Kramer's endless attempts to align themselves with the whole Van Halen mystique. Ed's first Frankenstrat was an SSS Strat body that he routed for a humbucker. Since the bridge was already routed for a slanted pickup, he kept the 'bucker that way. No magic, no master plan, just worked out that way. I have a slanted 'bucker in my Aria and it really makes no difference. I suppose if I wanted to get all scientific about it I'd say that it may make the lower strings sound a little chunkier since they're closer to the neck. But really it makes no difference.
Honestly, I think it's another one of Kramer's endless attempts to align themselves with the whole Van Halen mystique. Ed's first Frankenstrat was an SSS Strat body that he routed for a humbucker. Since the bridge was already routed for a slanted pickup, he kept the 'bucker that way. No magic, no master plan, just worked out that way. I have a slanted 'bucker in my Aria and it really makes no difference. I suppose if I wanted to get all scientific about it I'd say that it may make the lower strings sound a little chunkier since they're closer to the neck. But really it makes no difference.
Kac
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Re: slanted hum?
Rock On :smoker:
It's not at all about making the lowing strings "chunkier" As already stated it is to get all 6 strings to line up better with the pole peices, as a regular humbucker's poles go not extend wide enough for guitars like Eddie Van Halen was using that were equiped with Floyd Rose Tremelos. I would be willing to bet that you Aria has some type of tremelo bridge, which is why the humbucker is slanted, and yes, it does make a difference.Gamera said:
Rock On :smoker:
Edgecrusher
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Re: slanted hum?
but angling it you would only get 1 out of the 2 pole pieces under the string or you would just be splitting the difference again wouldnt you...
but angling it you would only get 1 out of the 2 pole pieces under the string or you would just be splitting the difference again wouldnt you...
Hot _Grits
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Re: slanted hum?
Kramer were just copying what EVH was doing on his home-built strat styles. In the late 70s/early 80s, humbuckers were built only to gibson spacing, so Ed slanted the pickup to get better coverage from the narrower polepieces. He stopped doing this around 1984, when he started using the 5150 kramer.
Kramer were just copying what EVH was doing on his home-built strat styles. In the late 70s/early 80s, humbuckers were built only to gibson spacing, so Ed slanted the pickup to get better coverage from the narrower polepieces. He stopped doing this around 1984, when he started using the 5150 kramer.
Re: slanted hum?
I had one of those! It was very nice (it actually had a single coil in the middle), but I hated the humbucker.
big_black said:I just bought a Gibson Nighthawk, it should be here Thursday. One mini in the neck, one slanted hum in the bridge. I'll let you know if it makes any difference. This is not the exact guitar, but same model and color:
I had one of those! It was very nice (it actually had a single coil in the middle), but I hated the humbucker.
MattPete
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Re: slanted hum?
I would think that it would be better to slant it the other way. Putting the poles for the high-E closer to the neck would give the high strings a rounder, less piercing sound, whereas putting the poles on the low-E towards the bridge would make it more percussive and less flabby. I would think that would work very well for a scooped pickup, like a 59. It might work espcially well for a C5, which some people find too bassy and too trebley. That should tame the high-end and the bass. If someone has a swimming pool route, that might be a cool experiment.
Actually, the same thing goes for the slanted single coil in a strat. Maybe Jimi was on to something!
I would think that it would be better to slant it the other way. Putting the poles for the high-E closer to the neck would give the high strings a rounder, less piercing sound, whereas putting the poles on the low-E towards the bridge would make it more percussive and less flabby. I would think that would work very well for a scooped pickup, like a 59. It might work espcially well for a C5, which some people find too bassy and too trebley. That should tame the high-end and the bass. If someone has a swimming pool route, that might be a cool experiment.
Actually, the same thing goes for the slanted single coil in a strat. Maybe Jimi was on to something!
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Lewguitar
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Re: slanted hum?
Originally Posted by Lewguitar:
I do believe that's true. And when I play a Strat with a stock spaced humbucker in the bridge position and the high E is not over the polepieces, I can hear the high E get louder when I bend it and pull it over the pole. Really, I think any guitarist with a little experience could hear this.
I mean, there are guys who use rails type pickups for a similar reason: they hear the note drop off a bit when they bend a note and pull the string between two polepieces...so they use rails type pickups so the string is always over the polepiece. Very similar idea.
You can hear this stuff if you listen carefully enough....and are a little bit nuts! :laugh2:
Originally Posted by Lewguitar:
I do believe that's true. And when I play a Strat with a stock spaced humbucker in the bridge position and the high E is not over the polepieces, I can hear the high E get louder when I bend it and pull it over the pole. Really, I think any guitarist with a little experience could hear this.
I mean, there are guys who use rails type pickups for a similar reason: they hear the note drop off a bit when they bend a note and pull the string between two polepieces...so they use rails type pickups so the string is always over the polepiece. Very similar idea.
You can hear this stuff if you listen carefully enough....and are a little bit nuts! :laugh2:
JeffB
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Re: slanted hum?
We know why eddie did it, but there is a tone difference too..to my ears at least...
go listen to some of Jake E. Lee's single coil sounds.. very distinct, because both his neck and middle pickups have a reverse slant (low e side closer to the bridge) ...it's nearly impossible to duplicate/approximate that tone...believe me, I've tried, LOL. And I can get damn close to his HB sounds, even tho I don't have his fingers
Here's a LINK to some pics.
We know why eddie did it, but there is a tone difference too..to my ears at least...
go listen to some of Jake E. Lee's single coil sounds.. very distinct, because both his neck and middle pickups have a reverse slant (low e side closer to the bridge) ...it's nearly impossible to duplicate/approximate that tone...believe me, I've tried, LOL. And I can get damn close to his HB sounds, even tho I don't have his fingers
Here's a LINK to some pics.
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