SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

[Rodney Gene]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

No offence but did you guys not learn your lesson the first time with this pedal mess??

The older SD pedals were just a terrible attempt at pedal building not to mention you jumped in to a world that is already as saturated as a market can get.

I don't know who you guys think you are fooling with the "Assembled in Santa Barbra" deal but it smells like using cheap parts on cheap boards that are built overseas then the loaded boards stuffed into boxes in Cali...

If you guys would spend the time, energy and not to mention money on things you're good at you might not have to worry about getting more market share of other items like pedals...

I thought the SD pedal line was going to go the way of the SD Amps of the 80's but I guess you guys are hard to learn a lesson.

Holy smokes! Sorry bro, but this is just pure ignorance which is about as 'defensive' a statement as I would ever make on a forum. LOL. I don't even know where to start and certainly would not have believed I would read this on this forum. I would say its rude, which it is, but really it just sounds like you have little if any business experience or R&D experience. If you do, you certainly don't understand what goes into business development at SD or a growing consistently successful company. Although ideas grow through failure and success your rant still holds no wisdom.

Sticking to what 'your good at? LOL. You mean innovation and creative thinking? SD has its hands in more pies than you know and the team at SD has more years of R&D experience in electronics / design than this whole board combined.
The amps of the 80s were innovative and ahead of their time. They are still sought after, getting more expensive and still sound great. As to why they didn't work as a business venture for SD has nothing to do with quality and has no relevance to any new products 30 years later. I can tell you the 'lessons have been learned and earned' as far as where to invest time and energy. Cathy is a brilliant business woman and she hires brilliant people. Its such an incredibly narcissistic assumption and insult to state otherwise right here on her doorstep. What in the world could you possible know about the company? Goodness.

I'm not sure what your intention was to just flat out slam and accuse a great company for moving forward with new ideas or to just take a dump here on the forum because you personally don't like the pedals, but I can tell you your approach has no merit. Feedback is always useful, but this is just nonsense and speaks volumes. An apology would not be amiss.

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

No offence but did you guys not learn your lesson the first time with this pedal mess??

The older SD pedals were just a terrible attempt at pedal building not to mention you jumped in to a world that is already as saturated as a market can get.

I don't know who you guys think you are fooling with the "Assembled in Santa Barbra" deal but it smells like using cheap parts on cheap boards that are built overseas then the loaded boards stuffed into boxes in Cali...

If you guys would spend the time, energy and not to mention money on things you're good at you might not have to worry about getting more market share of other items like pedals...

I thought the SD pedal line was going to go the way of the SD Amps of the 80's but I guess you guys are hard to learn a lesson.

I hate to say it but, I agree with Christian here. Every solid state SD pedal I've played through has been lackluster in one way or another. As a consumer having felt "burned" by SD pedals I have no use for them.

Also in regards to whether or not Christian was rude I will only say that if all SD got was glowing reviews and no critiques for any of their products from their forum it wouldn't serve it's purpose.

Luke

 

[Rodney Gene]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I hate to say it but, I agree with Christian here. Every solid state SD pedal I've played through has been lackluster in one way or another. As a consumer having felt "burned" by SD pedals I have no use for them.

Also in regards to whether or not Christian was rude I will only say that if all SD got was glowing reviews and no critiques for any of their products from their forum it wouldn't serve it's purpose.

Luke

Which part was the 'review' part of the post?

 

[KeeperOS]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

While hoping that we, gentlemen, will be able to keep if from becoming personal and while I'll be the first to admit that the old SD pedals never reached my parts of the woods and as such I was never able to actually try them for myself, I do have to agree with Rodney on that last point.

Even if those pedals were as bad as you have experienced them to be, that post was certainly not a review, and how could be, this new product isn't even available to try yet! (hence, sneak peek).

Sadly I must say that, in its' current for, it was nothing more than a slightly more elaborate "You have already failed once, why bother trying again?" remark to which I feel I should repeat myself by saying, think of the original LiveWires and then think of the Blackout series of pickups.
That alone should put some faith on the fact that when SD underperforms in a certain venture and still they try their hands at it again, they probably have a good idea where they went wrong and how to do better.

However in the end the plain truth is that until this product actually comes out, the only thing we can do is speculate, so chill guys, and wait it out...

 

[LReese]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”
― Isaac Asimov

 

[Scott Olson]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I know there are many people who love their SD pedals, I personally love the Twin-Tube and Pickup Booster. To Luke and The Man Who Invented Fire, I apologize that they didn't live up to your expectation. That's the most important thing to us which is why we really put ourselves into creating something we would want to have at all of our gigs. I'm not an engineer but the engineers are musicians too, as am I, as is the entire sales team. There was a ton of time spent going from scratch to design something that the beta testers and we loved. That included taking it to every musician we could find, listening and tweaking. You can trust that we really took our time with this and that when you are let down, we feel it too because ultimately for us it's about making a pedal that you will really love just like many of you do a JB or Custom. And it's equally uplifting everytime someone loves it. There were many quality control tests that went into each little component and the completed pedal themselves and I know they have a whole rigor of procedures to make sure that each Dirty Deed is built to last.

I don't mind the feedback and criticism at all, I just hope you won't let it overly color your opinion of the new pedal.

 

[Rodney Gene]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

My original post was not personal, I have zero history with TGWIF. It was simply calling out an unsubstantiated disrespect. It is still is beyond me to read that level of disdain here on SDs forum. Not a critique, not feedback.

That alone should put some faith on the fact that when SD underperforms in a certain venture and still they try their hands at it again, they probably have a good idea where they went wrong and how to do better.

I agree with this. Haven't we learned anything from Edison? The world's greatest failure of all time? Or any others?

"Failing is one of the greatest arts in the world. One fails toward success." ~ Charles Kettering

"Failure provides the opportunity to begin again, more intelligently." ~ Henry Ford

"The fastest way to succeed is to double your failure rate." ~ Thomas Watson Sr.

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career.
I've lost almost 300 games, 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot ... and missed.
I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That is why I succeed." ~ Michael Jordan

"Only those who dare to fail greatly can achieve greatly."
~ Robert F. Kennedy

and the real-life examples and quotes go on and on and on and on...
Too metaphysical? To inspirational? Too woo-woo for a gear forum? No matter. Its how success is done.

Respect, RG

 

[Low_fidelity2100]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

No offence but did you guys not learn your lesson the first time with this pedal mess??

The older SD pedals were just a terrible attempt at pedal building not to mention you jumped in to a world that is already as saturated as a market can get.

I don't know who you guys think you are fooling with the "Assembled in Santa Barbra" deal but it smells like using cheap parts on cheap boards that are built overseas then the loaded boards stuffed into boxes in Cali...

If you guys would spend the time, energy and not to mention money on things you're good at you might not have to worry about getting more market share of other items like pedals...

I thought the SD pedal line was going to go the way of the SD Amps of the 80's but I guess you guys are hard to learn a lesson.

+1....though I might not have said it like that, I agree on all counts.

 

[JeffB]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I am another who agrees with Christian about the past pedals,.though I do not agree the way he put it was warranted. I also guarantee he does not care what any of us think either


I thought the PUP booster was decent for my strats but was horrible with my teles. I owned two over its lifespan. But the tube pedals, and the PG, and LBox were really poor IMO.

That said, I would not assume these new pedals will be horrid too, but I do not see how this new pedal stands out among its competition. WHY would I want this pedal over say...a SuperBadass?

 

[IMENATOR]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I hope not having a built in booster will help to make the price more competitive, previous SD pedals were very expesive here in Mexico. Is this pedal trying to deliver the tone of any spicific kind of "classic amp"?

 

[JOLLY]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I'm not really a fan of the name.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Maybe there should be a dedicated " Complaints " Room/Thread .

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Scott,

I appreciate your sentiment and hope I'm dead wrong. I just see it as another OD pedal and believe the resources could have been better utilized in the pup world.

Maybe there should be a dedicated " Complaints " Room/Thread .

SD wouldn't want potential customers to see that I imagine, it would be handy though.

 

[DankStar]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I like my tweak fuzz. The clip of this sounds good. Don't need one, but I'd check it out if it was in front of me.

 

[Aceman]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

No offence but did you guys not learn your lesson the first time with this pedal mess??

The older SD pedals were just a terrible attempt at pedal building not to mention you jumped in to a world that is already as saturated as a market can get.

I don't know who you guys think you are fooling with the "Assembled in Santa Barbra" deal but it smells like using cheap parts on cheap boards that are built overseas then the loaded boards stuffed into boxes in Cali...

If you guys would spend the time, energy and not to mention money on things you're good at you might not have to worry about getting more market share of other items like pedals...

I thought the SD pedal line was going to go the way of the SD Amps of the 80's but I guess you guys are hard to learn a lesson.

Make this his avatar permanently

 

[Aceman]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

There is no doubt there were some issues with the original Duncan Pedals. But there was also considerable love for some, and not just from the fanbois here.

Reagarding OD/Distortion, I love a pedal that can run the range. My Catalinbread Supercharged Overdrive is like that.

 

[Aceman]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Who was the player? Dude was getting his Gilmour on at the end of that!

 

[gottalovethe80s]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I didn't have a very good experience with older SD pedals ( particularly the dejavu delay), but this sounds pretty good and I'm looking for a new drive pedal myself. May consider picking one up in the future when more people has given their feedback

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Well, I guess I'll step up and make one more post...I knew that my reply would get some hate and that's fine but i have gotten a few PM's and even emails regarding my reply so I'll take a moment to address some of them here.

Let me start all this by saying, I am not simply running off at the mouth half cocked here...I was involved with the beta testing on several of the original SD pedals and I still own a few SD pedals so it's not like I'm just spouting off...my personal feelings and opinions are based on my personal experiences with SD Pedals, the testing of those pedals and what my issues are with those pedals.

Let me also say that one of the PM's I got was from Scott Olson the forum member and SD employee that started this thread and he acknowledged the issues with SD pedals so it's not like they don't know, they are fully aware that there are loads of issues with SD pedals.

The rest of this is going to be rather long winded and I doubt that many (if any) of you guys will read it all but here is my response to all the back lash I have gotten from posting more or less one simple opinion (Duncan is not best suited for building pedals) and one simple question (Why do they keep trying?)

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Nice manners, babe!

Why all the hate?

I don't see that my post was at all rude. If a company doesn't want to know what people think of their products then they wouldn't post things like this on a forum and if any company thinks that all posts will be glowing then they are just delusional. Should I lie or cover up real thoughts just because it's an SD product and this is the SD forum...I don't think so.

Why the hate? Simple...the older pedals were just a feeble attempt to jump into the pedal world. They had a few good ideas (the Double Back and Deja Vu come to mind) but by the time they made it to production they had cut so many corners and cheeped out things so badly that they weren't worth messing with IMO.

Way to go TGWKE, why aren't you managing SD ?

I assume TGWKE is supposed to be TGWIF. I am not attempting to manage SD but I wish somebody would...it is rather clear to me that over the past few years no one is really in control over there or that whoever is in control doesn't give a rip about moving forward as a premier pickup maker and building on the legacy that the man Seymour Duncan started building almost 40 years ago...they are more interested in putting out junk pedals, odd ball pickups that have no real place in the market and polling the forum every year about how we'd feel if SD pickups were made in China...maybe I should manage SD!

Even if you were right, your post is still acting like this NEW pedal is exactly like the OLD pedals you didn't like. Can you at least wait until you've played one before you pass judgment?

And to say the place an item is made makes it good or bad exhibits prejudice. You're pre-judging a product based on its place of origin. Not good, man.

Why shouldn't I assume the new pedals are like the old pedals?? They had issues with the SFX-01 Pickup Booster..there were issues with the SFX-02 Tweak Fuzz...there were issues with the SFX-03 Twin Tube Classic..seeing a pattern here? I sure am!

As for the country of origin I am not judging based on that...I have gear from all over the world, pedals included and that's fine what bugs me is the "Assembled in Santa Barbra" sticker on the bottom of the Dirty Deed Distortion. A lot of folks voiced their opinion that it would be nice if the SD Pedals were made in the states and during the beta testing it came up over and over. So now on the new line they say "Assembled in Santa Barbra" which is clearly a thinly veiled attempt to lead us (the end user) to believe they are American made now but if they were they'd say "Made in Santa Barbra" but they do not because that would be a lie. They are the same low quality, built for pennies on the dollar with parts costing even less boards, pots, jacks, etc as the old pedals and simple stuffed into shells in California. That, IMHO is "not good."