So Many Choices, So Little Time.....and Money!

ErikH

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This is more of a "get the thoughts down on paper" kind of thread than anything. It just helps with the "what to do" factor. For some time now, I've been tossing around which route to go when it comes to my next amp. Now, had my Marshall head not blown it's power tranny, I wouldn't be typing this up because I love that amp. Unfortunately, the cost to fix it is not feasible for me at the moment. That's when I got the Vox AD50VT, which I love and use constantly. However, as gear nuts, we always want new toys. :)

Last year, I had the pleasure of meeting Lew and his brother, Bruce, at the Dallas Guitar Show at Bruce's booth for Mission Amps. The feature was Bruce's new Aurora amps. On hand was the 10 watt combo, 18 watt combo and I think the 30 watt Reverb prototype. All of them sounded incredible. Take a Fender, a Vox and a Marshall and throw them together and that's what you get, the Aurora. The one that really impressed me was the 18 watter. I have never heard an amp sound so big from an amp that size. So big, that between Lew and I playing (he was on the 30 watter), it caused a minor disturbance across the isle...LOL. So, leaving the show, I totally forgot about all the guitars I saw and went "meh" at and just kept thinking about that Aurora. Oh, and seeing a certain Vegas retailer made me think of a certain movie character.

Since then, I've been set on an Aurora. Then my Marshall goes south and I had to quickly get something, and that's where the Vox came in. I plan on keeping the Vox because let's face it, those things are cool and they are great for low volume practice. Like I said, I use it with the band and play almost every day for at least an hour if I can. But there's always something tugging at the back of the brain when a piece of gear hits you like that Aurora did me.

The other day when I tried out the Vintage Modern, I knew I never should've asked....LOL. I KNEW, just KNEW that I would love it. I wasn't even in the store looking at amps, but to get a box to ship something out. I saw the stack from the backside, saw the color, and knew immediately what it was. The little kid in me takes over. Try it? Loud? Yeah yeah, get a guitar, get a guitar. Ok, the SRV one works. "Hey mister, mind if I try out that Marshall stack?" At this point I had to get a grip. I knew **** well I wasn't going to walk out of there with it if I wanted to survive through the night...LOL.

So yeah, I play it, love it, grab the box I came for and leave. Ok, I'm safe, so I thought. Driving the 15 minutes or so to my in-law's, I think about the amp, the wonderful sound that just pleasured my brain at ear splitting volume. Then it gets to be like the devil on one shoulder, angel on the other. Only this time, one is a Marshall, the other is an Aurora. GREAT!!! Just what I need, my own little episode of Sylvester and Tweety on whether to eat the little bird or not. This shall pass....I hoped...........WRONG!!!

I type up an email review to a bud, post mostly the same here in the Amp Forum. I keep thinking, I haven't played a Marshall that nice in over 10 years. The last one that I remember playing with that much vintage character was a 1959 RI, but I like the VM better. I dunno, I felt connected to it. I had to "play the amp" as Aceman put it in another thread. Funny thing is, that's how it was with the Aurora too. You have to play the amp. Sure, the Aurora doesn't have near the gain as the Marshall, but it has lots of what I like.

So as of right now, the Aurora is out front, no reverb. I had to weigh the situations where we'll be playing and what I have. I don't need another 100 watt amp and I don't need another 50 watt amp, I have one of each. Having a good lower wattage tube amp will be a nice addition and will give me some more flexibility. It can be used in the smaller venues and after hearing that 18 watter in person, I have no doubt it'll be heard in larger places and even outdoors. If I were to come across a used VM and the price is right, I'll definitely consider it, but it's not a must right now.

I've got a Marshall (needs to be fixed, but I have one, and it will be fixed) for those tones, and the AD50VT gets those tones too (and many others). The Aurora would get me lots of nice clean to nicely overdriven tones without going overboard. I don't mind tossing my DS-1 in front of it for more if/when needed. The big plus too, the non-reverb Aurora's weigh in around 30-32 pounds, which is a good 20-30 pounds less than the Marshalls (2266C weighs 66 pounds). My back likes that part. :)

I'd love to have both, but as the title says, "So Many Choices, So Little Time.....and Money!" Yeah, the money part. I'm going to need to save some of that stuff before getting anything.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading. :)
 
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Erik, here's what I think you should do: Contact Bruce and tell him you want an exact clone of my heavily modded ("Bruce-toned" if you will...) 22 watt blackface Deluxe Reverb with Celestion G12H30 speaker.

I'll give Bruce my amp to copy so he can build TWO ...one for me and one for you.

My DR is the greatest amp I've ever owned and it has been modded so both channels have reverb and both channels have the Marshall tone.

One channel overdrives easily and the other channel stays cleaner and more blackface in terms of headroom. I tend to plug my Strats and Teles into the channel that overdrives more easily and my Les Paul in the channel that stays a little cleaner.

Bruce will then have a new amp for his line: possibly the best amp in the world...and you and I will also!

Lew
 
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:laugh2: Good idea Lew. However, I somehow think that I did that, Bruce would know it was your idea and you'd probably hear it from him. I take it you've been trying to get him to make a clone for a while?
 
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:laugh2: Good idea Lew. However, I somehow think that I did that, Bruce would know it was your idea and you'd probably hear it from him. I take it you've been trying to get him to make a clone for a while?

I have...for years! Bruce likes to do his own thing. My DR has had every part in it replaced except for some of the pots and the transformers. Other than looks, it bears very little resemblance to a DR...it truly sounds like a Marshall/Fender with Fender reverb. It's the most touch sensitive amp I own and sounds great at extremely low volumes as well as cranked to "10". Bruce has gone through it and tweaked it into the most amazing amp I've ever owned or played through. I think if we ordered two, we could get him to do it. Maybe if anyone else here is interested, we could put together a larger order and get a break price wise. Bruce has reverse engineered the trannies and even knows exactly how the transformers should be wound and engineered. Lew
 
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I have even asked Bruce about building my a copy of Lew's BF Deluxe Reverb!

It didn't happen but I did send Bruce my Twin and am amazed with the results...I;d love to have him work the same magic on a smaller BF Fender.

I will say this...Bruce does great work and I don't think you'd ever be unhappy with one of his amps!
 
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Hmmm, sounds like he'd need some convincing. I have no doubt that your DR sounds amazing, Lew. I would have to hear yours before going that route. That little 18 watter really left an impression on me. If he could do that amp, as it is, and just add reverb (not a deal killer by any means) that would cool. To get the reverb, you have to go bigger cab, and the turbojax is standard and I'm not sure about the turbojax since I never tried that. Sounds interesting enough though. I can't commit to anything yet though. The mrs is in another job hunt. After that, the Tele I was going to make may be on hold for an amp instead. I'm really happy with the way my Strats sound. They allow me to cover any ground I need to.
 
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Bruce's Turbo jacks really interests me...I haven't gotten one yet but I have talked with him in dept and I think I might like it however Bruce woudl build it anyway you wanted it!

If you wanted to go the DR route I would suggest getting a decent SF Deluxe Reverb and sending it to Bruce for mods and then getting a killer cab and speaker to go in it...that would still end up being less money that having one built from the ground up and it might make things easier for Bruce...just my 2 cents...

FWIW, I vote Aurora!!!
 
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I never thought about the DR route actually. The voicing of the Aurora is incredible to my ears. That sound of Fender + Vox + Marshall is so cool. I think I'll be able to pull anything out of that amp and with my DS-1 out front, it could get scary.
 
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Sounds like there's a market for the Brucified DR. Depending upon the price, I'd be up for one, too...my all-time favorite amp made better!
 
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Well, last night I made the big mistake of watching the 5150 III overview on the Sept '07 Guitar World CD. YIKES!!! I'd love to play one, and would love to have one, but the price is gonna keep me away from it. It's got great tone, that's for sure.

I'd be more for a hot-rodded DR if I were a DR player. Thing is, I don't have a lot of experience with them. My preference is British voiced amps, and that is what I love about the Aurora...it has that mix of two GREAT British amps with Fender thrown in there with it.
 
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Bruce's Turbo jacks really interests me...I haven't gotten one yet but I have talked with him in dept and I think I might like it however Bruce woudl build it anyway you wanted it!

If you wanted to go the DR route I would suggest getting a decent SF Deluxe Reverb and sending it to Bruce for mods and then getting a killer cab and speaker to go in it...that would still end up being less money that having one built from the ground up and it might make things easier for Bruce...just my 2 cents...

FWIW, I vote Aurora!!!

I've been looking at silverface DR's lately on Ebay. Nice clean ones from '68 to '74 are going for $1200.

A nice 40 watt two 12" silverface Pro Reverb can be had for $700. or 800.

The DR is half the power and only has one 12" speaker compared to a Fender Pro Reverb...but the DR goes for $400 more.

That shows that the Deluxe Reverb type 22 watt one 12" speaker format is VERY POPULAR and would probably fit the needs of MANY/MOST players.

The metal and VH style rock players would always want 100 watts of overdrive and something bigger than a DR. And some jazz players would also want 100 watts of clarity.

The DR is more than enough power for at least 90% of the gigs and sessions I play, whereas an amp with 100 watts or even 50 watts would (sad but true...) be to loud and not give me as good a tone on 90% of those same gigs and sessions that I do.

And for those rare gigs when I need something with 40 or 50 watts I have my Vibrolux Reverb...which I have never gigged with because the DR has been loud enough.

Lew
 
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Yeah, Lew. Tell me about it. After Christian posted that last night, I checked out eBay and about choked on my dinner when I saw the prices for old DR's. That's nuts, IMO. Then again, I'm not big in to the whole vintage market thing either. The only piece of gear I ever spent more than $1000 on, and I can stretch that to $1500, is my D-28. I like the price point of the Aurora 18 watter too. The 28 watter isn't that much more, and neither is the 22 watt w/reverb (but it's in the big box). I really like that 18 though.

What does the "Spirit" control do on the Reverb models? Is it like a Presence control?
 
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I never thought about the DR route actually. The voicing of the Aurora is incredible to my ears. That sound of Fender + Vox + Marshall is so cool. I think I'll be able to pull anything out of that amp and with my DS-1 out front, it could get scary.

That's what the Aurora does all right: adds some Vox tone to the mix. I love that smooth/grainy tone of a Vox: the Beatles, Brian May, Buddy Miller, Tom Petty...great tones. My Matchless SC-30 had that kind of tone too.

I always come back to a Marshall/Fender tone though. It's clearer when I want it clear and it's also a little more "neutral" so I have more control over shaping my own voice. My blackface Fenders are all modded with Marshall tone stacks, more mids, more gain, and less negative feedback for easier overdrive and a looser, more touch sensitive feel.

But if you lust for more of the Voxy tone Erik, maybe the Aurora is what you want and not a DR. The Aurora and Bruce's take on the tweed 5E3 Deluxe, are Bruce's best selling amps.

The footpedal overdrive/boost Bruce uses on the Aurora is a cool idea. It allows a clearish or lightly overdrive tone for rythym and then taking that same tone up a notch and into overdrive for solos. All tube and very natural sounding. And non-channel switching...just my style.

To me, channel switching amps always sound a little abrupt when I make the switch. Seems artificial and less natural to me.

Lew
 
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Considering that I've been GASing for an Aurora since playing one, and I'm using the Vox AC30TB model on my amp a lot, yeah, everything points to the Aurora for sure. I like the single channel simplicity too. Heck, my Marshall is a one channel amp but with 2 master volumes (one for rhythm, one for lead). But it's just too much power for where we'll be playing once it's working again. I keep it because I'm very attached to it. It's that piece of gear that I just cannot let go.
 
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