So, What Is The Concensus On The Newer MIM Charvel San Dimas And Pro Mod?

JOLLY

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I have a USA Style 2 San DImas that I absolutely love. It's pretty much my #1 guitar now. I know that pretty much everyone on here that has a MIJ Charvel loves theirs as well. However, I haven't really heard much about the newest MIM models. How do they compare to the aforementioned ones?
 
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I've only played a couple, but all of the MIM Charvels I've played were very similar to the previous MIJ models.
 
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I've only played a couple, but all of the MIM Charvels I've played were very similar to the previous MIJ models.
Cool. That's a good thing.
 
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I didn't really compare to the USA ones, but the biggest difference I noticed was the neck finish. When they moved from US to MIJ, the neck finish changed to slightly more glossy maybe? The MIM models have this same type of finish, so hopefully that won't bother you. I have 3 MIJ Charvels from the 80s with full gloss urethane on the necks and they're great guitars IMO.
 
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https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...o-Mods-vs-Japanese-ones&highlight=MIM+charvel

I've never played any of the MIM ones, they haven't appeared over here yet, but I have got an MIJ one, which was the same price as the new MIM ones but included a hardcase. There's a number of small differences, like using mounting rings like the MIA ones instead of direct mount like the MIJ models, using Charvel branded tuners instead of grover tuners, which the MIJ and MIM ones had, rear routing the floyd instead of having it top mounted.

One thing that bugs me is that Charvel didn't bother to fix some of the issues that plagued the older pro-mods, especially the heel-adjust truss rod, which is a real PITA.

Here are a couple of videos featuring them:




IMO, if you can get a used MIJ, go for it instead of a new MIM, they come with a great hardcase, and you're sure to get your money's worth.
 
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the biggest difference I noticed was the neck finish. When they moved from US to MIJ, the neck finish changed to slightly more glossy maybe? The MIM models have this same type of finish, so hopefully that won't bother you.
I can't say as I care for that. I guess steel wool could always fix that though.
 
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My objection is the pickup rings, which I hate. The Japanese ones don't have those. The pickups are direct mounted.
 
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https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...o-Mods-vs-Japanese-ones&highlight=MIM+charvel

I've never played any of the MIM ones, they haven't appeared over here yet, but I have got an MIJ one, which was the same price as the new MIM ones but included a hardcase. There's a number of small differences, like using mounting rings like the MIA ones instead of direct mount like the MIJ models, using Charvel branded tuners instead of grover tuners, which the MIJ and MIM ones had, rear routing the floyd instead of having it top mounted.

One thing that bugs me is that Charvel didn't bother to fix some of the issues that plagued the older pro-mods, especially the heel-adjust truss rod, which is a real PITA.



IMO, if you can get a used MIJ, go for it instead of a new MIM, they come with a great hardcase, and you're sure to get your money's worth.

Upon finding out that the fretboard (and the whole neck for that matter) on the Jap ones are not lacquered, my affection for them has started to dissipate. Looking at the fretboard slowly turning dark from all dirt, sweat, gunk and all kinds of **** on the fingers, just broke my heart.

**** the hardcase, I am a bedroom player so a case is not necessary.

The recessed Floyd on the Mexicans is definitely a plus, to level RG models.
 
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I just got a MIM Socal, I never played a US or MIJ so I have nothing to compare with. I got it because it has most the features I ever wanted in a superstrat: Unfinished maple neck and fretboard, 22 frets to enjoy neck tone, recessed floyd rose for up and down with the tremolo bar, HSH route under that HH pickguard so I will turn it into an HSS or HSH later this year wich was my original plan anyway. I really enjoyed the DD bridge, but I am more into single coil-ish tone for the neck so I did not fell in love with the DD neck clean tone but certanly it is a good tone for high gain. The SoCal is a heavy metal machine out of the box, no dobut.

The body finish is good, the neck heel fits absolutly perfect at the neck pocket in the body, something I cannot say from my 96 strat. I never owned a maple fretboard guitar before but when I was testing some strats with gloss finish I realized why some people may complain about the feel of a finished fretboard, then this guitar fretboard is not finised and does feel as comfortable as a rosewood fretboard. On the other hand the jumbo frets along with the unfinished maple fretboard and the compound radius make bendings a hair easier to do. I don't need a case either, I think not having one actually allowed an affordable price, I don't know. The only bad thing is not from the guitar but from myself: I was so used to my old strat neck feel (a hair narrower and lower radius) that I really had to put some time into practicing and getting used to the feel of the Charvel Neck. Oh, and the fret edges finish is smooth rounded, better than any blacktop strat with floyd rose which was the other alternative I was evaluating but the Charvel is way better in every sense.

Overall, even I never played a USA or MIJ oldie I really think people will enjoy the look and feel for the Charvel. Also if you are planing on buying a Blacktop Strat with Foyld Rose you should really save some extra money and go for a Charvel.
 
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I wish they came with a non-recessed Floyd option as well. Would certainly leave more wood, and with the action I usually play, I can pull up as far as most would with a recessed one anyway.

Anyway. I tried one last Sunday through a Fender Supersonic. I love the bridge PU -- the JB, but the neck (59) I could totally replace with a Jazz and waltz happily. The neck is oiled, not finished, which gives it a natural feel (I kinda prefer satin finish, though). The fretboard isn't finished either, and that's one of the things I really liked about the neck. While the huge frets make sure I never touch the fretboard, the wood feels great when I do. I don't care for rolled edges, though. My only ire for the guitar are for the heel-adjusted truss rod and the Floyd. Seriously, the saddles feel so tinny and weak I was afraid that I might break them.

Overall, a very solid guitar that made me GAS. I'd certainly buy a used MIA or MIJ over it, though.
 
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Upon finding out that the fretboard (and the whole neck for that matter) on the Jap ones are not lacquered, my affection for them has started to dissipate. Looking at the fretboard slowly turning dark from all dirt, sweat, gunk and all kinds of **** on the fingers, just broke my heart.

None of the pro mods have a hard lacquered finish, they're all oiled. That's one of the best parts of these guitars. It feels smoother than any other neck I've used and doesn't gloss up and get sticky like lacquered semi-gloss finishes do. Go over the fretboard every couple years with some steel wool and then reapply a couple coats of danish oil and the board will look like new if the stains really bug you.
 
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My objection is the pickup rings, which I hate. The Japanese ones don't have those. The pickups are direct mounted.

I actually like the pickup rings, which the USA and MIM models have.
 
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Oh well, it looks like I just bought a new one (from a major guitar retailer)for $599. Black was not my preferred color, but I can live with it for that price. :)
 
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I thought all the modern-day Charvels were MIK?
 
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I thought all the modern-day Charvels were MIK?

The current Pro-mods are made in Mexico, while their Custom Shop and Artist models are made in the US. I'm not sure where the Desolation series are made.
 
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I also shun the new MIM cause the only come with Duncans. The older Japanese So Cal came with DM Tone Zone-Evolution combo, giving us more options.
 
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I wish they came with a non-recessed Floyd option as well. Would certainly leave more wood, and with the action I usually play, I can pull up as far as most would with a recessed one anyway.

Get the Japanese. They are not recessed under the Floyd.
 
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I have a MIM San Dimas hard-tail, black. Plays and sounds fine, but I have decided i'm not a fan of the unfinished neck..Also the resale value due to being made in Mexico is very low. I have mine listed for way less than 1/2 of retail and no luck selling it. IMO, USA / Japanese models would be a way better option, especially if you keep guitars for a long time!!
 
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I have a mij pro mod which is way better than mim haHA!. shame i only have the neck to boot.
 
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So I thought I would do a review of the Charvel Pro Mod San Dimas Style 1 Made in Mexico (MIM) guitar. I purchased mine in September 2015. I have been playing since 1978 and have been fortunate to own Fender, early ‘80s Kramer, Ibanez, Brian Moore, and Gibson guitars. I always wanted a Charvel but at the time never got around to getting one. Now, a USA made San Dimas is just too much green for me to consciously spend when I have several other wonderful guitars. From what I read, this Pro Mod San Dimas Style 1 was being offered very close to the original and spec, so for $849, I figured what the heck.

The Neck:

For me this was the highlight of the guitar. It is an oiled neck that feels simply great. The fret work is surprisingly good. Many times I have to dress cheaper guitar’s frets, but this one is pretty much spot on. Nice and straight, just a bummer the truss rod adjustment is in the heel, but that’s the way the originals were as well.

Electronics:

The pickups are what you would expect from Seymour Duncan and these specific models. More about that later though. Good quality with no surprises. The volume pot is Korean made but very smooth. Survivability undetermined, but nothing bad expected. The 3-Way toggle is a mystery, time will tell. The input jack is a mystery as well. Graphite based shielding paint is used inside the control and tremolo springs cavities. Not the best, but functional, the problem is it was done so thin that I’m sure the conductivity of the paint is less than adequate.

Hardware:

Well, Charvel (Fender) pulled an underhanded one here. They advertise this model as having an Original Floyd Rose, well sort of. The nut is a mystery. When you purchase a Floyd Rose, it comes with a Floyd Rose Nut of your choosing. Fender looked at shaving some cost on this for the sake of profit. It looks to be of good quality, but honesty would be nice. The tuners are Chinese styled after Gotoh labeled Charvel using 2 pins versus a set screw. The string tree is another mystery but the finish is good, so no complaints.

The Body:

Here is where it all goes downhill. No matter how good the pickups may be, the guitar sounded lifeless and choked to me. Upon close inspection, the body cavity rout edges almost looked frayed/splintered. This got me wondering. Charvel advertises this model as having a Flame Maple Veneer Top. When they say veneer, they should say “paper thin flame maple veneer top similar to the faux sticker tops used by imported Jackson’s in the mid to late 90’s”. This would be a more honest statement. I’m saying, this veneer is so thin, it can barely be sanded smooth due to the grain being the depth of the veneer. Now I understand why the rout edges were frayed/splintered, the veneer is so thin, the grain is all that is left creating a situation where it cannot be smooth sanded. So how do you create a smooth surface in this situation? Gobs and gobs of paint finish. When I say GOBS, I mean GOBS! And this is exactly what Charvel/Fender did. I didn’t expect a nitro finish, but this is ridiculous. This finish laughs at heavy duty paint stripper. So how do I know this? I did it, and it took a week using a heat gun to get through the exterior finish layer, days of stripper on the lower layers, and finally careful use of sandpaper on the final spots that nothing would take off. This is also when I discovered the fuzzy truth in the “Alder Body” statement. OK, they were honest, Charvel just didn’t say a “three piece glued together alder body”, which is exactly what it is. Fender/Charvel have definitely stretched the “truth in advertising” statement with this guitar.

Bottom Line:

Short of the neck, pickups, and fulcrum body, a person can do much better elsewhere. In reality, if a person wants a Charvel to ‘80s specs, several companies exist online that sell exact bodies and necks that can be fitted with name brand hardware for less than the price of this guitar. Thankfully, by the time I get done refinishing this guitar and replacing some of the hardware, it should be what I was hoping for in the first place.

Would I buy one again, definitely not!
 
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