Some quality pickup comparison time!

Aceman

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Had a friend grab a Tom Delonge Strat for a steal, Invader and all ($299). He brought it right over and we plugged it into the H&K TM18 on the crunch channel set moderately and gave it a go.

First - haven't had an Invader around in a while. I'll say it sounded fantastic in that 25 1/2 scale Strat. Loud, thick, full, and bright enough for anything I'd want to do. Not so sure I'd love it in a mahogany 24 3/4 scale - but that was not where it was! Anyway - we started pulling pickup after pickup loaded guitar and giving a listen. Here were some of the comparisons (Mostly in Les Paul styles)

Duncan Distortion: More open, less thick, less distorted, sharper highs. I don't think as loud!
Duncan Custom: Did not punch as much as Inv, as in mid punch, sharper highs, bass was maybe punchier than the Inv, but not as thick. Seemed as loud
DiMarzio Distortion: Sounded surprisingly similar, with better? highs....SuperD not as loud.
Duncan Pearly Gates: Distinctly less output, way more clear and articulate. Probably sounded better on the H&K lead boot with highs that were both more cutting and sweeter.
Duncan Detonator: This was a very similar sound, but the Invader still had it beat in the bass/power area.

Again - over all the invader was just a raging rock monster of a pickup. I was really surprised at how much I like the full spectrum of sound from it. Only tweet to the classic 5/5/5 B/M/T settings we made was a little treble bump to ~6.5. The thing was brutal to the clean channel too. It easily brought breakup to the H&K with even a moderately hard hit. It also cleaned up pretty well when you lowered the volume enough. Wouldn't be a choice for a clean pickup. The mids were a little "honky" if you will that way. Might have just been Strat factor there. But this isn't gonna be played clean anyway...
 
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Invader’s a great pickup for all the things you mention. On paper, should be similar to the SH-6, but world’s apart in my experience.
 
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Indeed - the Distortion and Invader were very different. The whole quality of the sound was different.
 
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So you're saying the Invader is a louder Super Distortion with different (possibly better) highs? Dangit now I HAVE to try one!
 
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Take the super d poles out and put them in the invader. Dimarzio sells them separately if you ask. $5 shipped and you have a black winter.
 
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Take the super d poles out and put them in the invader. Dimarzio sells them separately if you ask. $5 shipped and you have a black winter.

Are you sure invader and black winter have the same wind?
 
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I know they are both closely related to the distortion, both 16.6k and both triple ceramic.

I own both in Les Paul’s and they sound very close, but I have not opened them up to see the wire is identical or been told by someone at sd, I am just inferring based on the numbers, the sounds and the information available.

They did sell a blackened black winter in the Keith Merrow signature that was double hex head instead of screws and slugs.

I’m sure the covers on my screws and slugs set account for any sound difference between them and the uncovered double hex version.
 
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An invader with a neodymium magnet might be interesting.
 
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I'd say the Invader was a little more brutal than the Distortion, but not as brutal as the X2N.
 
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Had a Les Paul with 3 X2-N's once. It had two sounds - plain old obnoxious or impossible to ignore.
 
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Invader’s a great pickup for all the things you mention. On paper, should be similar to the SH-6, but world’s apart in my experience.

The Invader is a JB with different poles and a ceramic magnet. Both read 16.6k.


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An invader with a neodymium magnet might be interesting.

It would be very bass heavy. I’ve already made a similar pickup and hated it. lol.

Neos don’t brighten things up the way ceramic does. It brings up a lot of low end.


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I took apart a few invaders as well as a few black winters: they're not the same. The winds are slightly different but more importantly: the ceramic bar magnets on the side are a bit shorter on the BW than on the Invader.

I prefer the invader with hex polepieces instead of these big cap screws. Brightens up the tone quite a bit.
 
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This brings up the "A Distortion is a JB with Ceramics" thing, but I'll drop it. The Detonator IS a Distortion with big poles. It's similar, but not the same, as the Invader. we A/B'd those.
 
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