Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
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FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
What kind of music do you play and what kind of flavors are you looking for? Do you want to focus on clean or overdrive, or both? Pedals, guitars, etc...
If you're just looking for ideas, I went with a greenback type from Weber. I like it quite a bit. it's got a little bark and honk to it that comes out more with volume and overdrive, and it's just a little warmer than a lot of american flavored speakers. It can get a little nasally, I think that's my only "complaint" right now, if I have one.
The g12H30 also gets some good reviews.
I'd like to try some other things for the sake of experimentation though. Weber make the 12F150 that I wanna try, as it's been recommended a LOT on the interwebz... and my experiences with weber til now have been great.
Another speaker I want to try is the Texas Heat from Eminence (I used to use a TX heat with a Tweaker 15). Seems like it would be a good upgrade for RI owners to keep the flavor of the c12K but with deeper lows and a little sweeter chime. Also, the Cannabis rex sounds delicious.
The proguitarshop vid where andy demos the FSR DRRI with the reissue p12q sounds great... I think I'd love to try that one as well.
anyways those are some starting points
What kind of music do you play and what kind of flavors are you looking for? Do you want to focus on clean or overdrive, or both? Pedals, guitars, etc...
If you're just looking for ideas, I went with a greenback type from Weber. I like it quite a bit. it's got a little bark and honk to it that comes out more with volume and overdrive, and it's just a little warmer than a lot of american flavored speakers. It can get a little nasally, I think that's my only "complaint" right now, if I have one.
The g12H30 also gets some good reviews.
I'd like to try some other things for the sake of experimentation though. Weber make the 12F150 that I wanna try, as it's been recommended a LOT on the interwebz... and my experiences with weber til now have been great.
Another speaker I want to try is the Texas Heat from Eminence (I used to use a TX heat with a Tweaker 15). Seems like it would be a good upgrade for RI owners to keep the flavor of the c12K but with deeper lows and a little sweeter chime. Also, the Cannabis rex sounds delicious.
The proguitarshop vid where andy demos the FSR DRRI with the reissue p12q sounds great... I think I'd love to try that one as well.
anyways those are some starting points
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
Music I play is blues, classic rock, country, western swing and a little smooth jazz. I want to preserve as much headroom as I can, and I run pedals for the overdrive. Most of the time I'm playing clean or just on the "edge". A Strat "type", a Tele "type", a Les Paul "type" and a semi-hollow. So 2 with single coils and 2 with humbuckers.
I have a well broken-in Eminence Red, White and Blues in it at present. It gets that nasal quality going also. The lows are tight, like I want, but the mid-range sounds could be warmer and I like a softer top end than it is giving me. As far as headroom goes, it doesn't take much for the speaker to out-run the DR pre-amp, and I'm running a 5751 in the V2 slot.
My amp is not a stock DRRI anymore, either. I re-wired it with a turret board, replaced all the transformers and the choke with Mercury Magnetics iron. It now has a bias-modulation tremelo circuit, and the filtering is a bit stiffer than what Fender specs.
I'm thinking about that Cannabis Rex, or maybe a Tone Tubby. And the Texas Heat sounds interesting.
About your C. Rex, how would you describe the sound? The amp is producing an over-abundance of bass, and I changed the PI caps from.1's to .047's. Still gets boomy too easily. So I don't want anything that is going to exaggerate that aspect. The Red,White + Blues gets a little farty when I crank it up, even after I turn the bass pot all the way down.
Music I play is blues, classic rock, country, western swing and a little smooth jazz. I want to preserve as much headroom as I can, and I run pedals for the overdrive. Most of the time I'm playing clean or just on the "edge". A Strat "type", a Tele "type", a Les Paul "type" and a semi-hollow. So 2 with single coils and 2 with humbuckers.
I have a well broken-in Eminence Red, White and Blues in it at present. It gets that nasal quality going also. The lows are tight, like I want, but the mid-range sounds could be warmer and I like a softer top end than it is giving me. As far as headroom goes, it doesn't take much for the speaker to out-run the DR pre-amp, and I'm running a 5751 in the V2 slot.
My amp is not a stock DRRI anymore, either. I re-wired it with a turret board, replaced all the transformers and the choke with Mercury Magnetics iron. It now has a bias-modulation tremelo circuit, and the filtering is a bit stiffer than what Fender specs.
I'm thinking about that Cannabis Rex, or maybe a Tone Tubby. And the Texas Heat sounds interesting.
About your C. Rex, how would you describe the sound? The amp is producing an over-abundance of bass, and I changed the PI caps from.1's to .047's. Still gets boomy too easily. So I don't want anything that is going to exaggerate that aspect. The Red,White + Blues gets a little farty when I crank it up, even after I turn the bass pot all the way down.
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Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
The issue with some overdrives is that the bass is flubby, hence the 'top boost' where the bass is cut from the driven signal. The tubescreamer type also cuts the bass which helps
You may well be served with a tube change to a tighter preamp tube (V1 for normal, V2 for tremolo channel), or some power amp tubes if you play with the amp itself on the edge of breakup before engaging the pedal.
I went looking for thread on the DRRI as I'll most likely end up with one quite soon. Plenty of info on easy mods and upgrades.
The issue with some overdrives is that the bass is flubby, hence the 'top boost' where the bass is cut from the driven signal. The tubescreamer type also cuts the bass which helps
You may well be served with a tube change to a tighter preamp tube (V1 for normal, V2 for tremolo channel), or some power amp tubes if you play with the amp itself on the edge of breakup before engaging the pedal.
I went looking for thread on the DRRI as I'll most likely end up with one quite soon. Plenty of info on easy mods and upgrades.
glassman
Electron Herder
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
There's your problem...your amp is over filtered and the attributes you are looking for in a speaker are trying to compensate for that. I'm sure you can find a speaker that has a frequency curve to get you closer but why not go to the root of the issue? The stock DR circuit is a little over filtered to begin with (especially for styles you play) and adding more filtering just sucks the soul right out of them.
There's your problem...your amp is over filtered and the attributes you are looking for in a speaker are trying to compensate for that. I'm sure you can find a speaker that has a frequency curve to get you closer but why not go to the root of the issue? The stock DR circuit is a little over filtered to begin with (especially for styles you play) and adding more filtering just sucks the soul right out of them.
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
One is to go with a speaker that is geared to being able to reproduce lows efficiently (i.e. the cannabis rex) so you get more apparent volume from your amp and a big low end that is not flabby. Cannabis is more flexible and stronger than wood pulp, so you can have a thinner cone which travels more easily, giving you pretty much more of everything, but especially bass because most paper cannot reproduce it as easily. Absolutely superb speaker.
Or the second is to go for a high wattage speaker that, due to its coil structure can handle any amount of output you throw at it. The texas heat will do that without breaking a sweat, but just like overwound pickups, there is always a trade off - the lowest lows and the highest highs are traded for high power handling (kind of like a hot pickup). The texas is still fat and warm as hell tho. Another great speaker. Less efficient than the cannabis tho, so you might find you get decreased amp headroom at the same volume.
The third option is to go for something that is both super efficient and with really high wattage. Perhaps the swamp thing. It can handle 150watts like the texas, but because it has a much bigger magnet, it is much more efficient and also has an extended frequency response. Generally considered to be a good choice for the big scooped metal sound you will probably not get as warm a sound as either of the other two speakers for low gain tones, but it might be a dark horse when it comes to giving all the things you have mentioned you are after. i.e. headroom and power allowing the gain to come from your pedals.
also: are you using jj power tubes? They will give you more headroom than any 6v6 on the market.
Texas Heat will do all that stuff.
I mosty use a 335, but also a strat.
22watt amps can do that to brighter voiced 50w speakers.
+1 for glassman. I'm no amp guru, but he is! He's helped me rectify a bunch of problems with various fenders of mine.
Cannabis is my favourite in low wattage fenders, but the texas heat is a close second (its my fave for big wattage fenders). They can both handle the low end from your pair of 6v6's. The cannabis will make it a little louder and deeper, whereas the texas is less efficient so you'll need to crank your amp a little more to get the same volume which a lot of people like because they like to overdrive their tubes a little more. It has plenty of muscle in the mids but is smooth and sweet on top. Both the cannabis and the texas will sound fatter and less trebly than the rwb you are using.
I think the farty aspect is caused by two things, one is what glassman was talking about and the second is that the RWB is geared towards presence and cut, rather than soaking up the low end and pushing it out into the world. Its not difficult at all to get a 50w speaker to get loose in the low end with a 22w amp. There are a few ways of addressing this:
One is to go with a speaker that is geared to being able to reproduce lows efficiently (i.e. the cannabis rex) so you get more apparent volume from your amp and a big low end that is not flabby. Cannabis is more flexible and stronger than wood pulp, so you can have a thinner cone which travels more easily, giving you pretty much more of everything, but especially bass because most paper cannot reproduce it as easily. Absolutely superb speaker.
Or the second is to go for a high wattage speaker that, due to its coil structure can handle any amount of output you throw at it. The texas heat will do that without breaking a sweat, but just like overwound pickups, there is always a trade off - the lowest lows and the highest highs are traded for high power handling (kind of like a hot pickup). The texas is still fat and warm as hell tho. Another great speaker. Less efficient than the cannabis tho, so you might find you get decreased amp headroom at the same volume.
The third option is to go for something that is both super efficient and with really high wattage. Perhaps the swamp thing. It can handle 150watts like the texas, but because it has a much bigger magnet, it is much more efficient and also has an extended frequency response. Generally considered to be a good choice for the big scooped metal sound you will probably not get as warm a sound as either of the other two speakers for low gain tones, but it might be a dark horse when it comes to giving all the things you have mentioned you are after. i.e. headroom and power allowing the gain to come from your pedals.
also: are you using jj power tubes? They will give you more headroom than any 6v6 on the market.
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MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
C12N. Love that speaker fpor Fenders. Best when paired w/ a different sp[eaker in a 2x12, kind ogf like a V30/g12H. Pqair it ina 2x12 to add some wramth and fullness. I love the waY THE C12n nails some of the early Jensen vibe.
C12N. Love that speaker fpor Fenders. Best when paired w/ a different sp[eaker in a 2x12, kind ogf like a V30/g12H. Pqair it ina 2x12 to add some wramth and fullness. I love the waY THE C12n nails some of the early Jensen vibe.
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Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
current production c12n's are loose in the low end and bright and cutting in the top. Pretty much the opposite of what the OP is looking for.
current production c12n's are loose in the low end and bright and cutting in the top. Pretty much the opposite of what the OP is looking for.
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
Since you mentioned 2-10 inch speakers, I wonder how those speakers would fit into your original Fender 12 inch Deluxe combo cabinet?
For 10 inch speakers - I would try WEBER Ceramic Blues Dog 10 mixed with a Ceramic Silver Bell 10
For 12 inch speaker - Also a WEBER Ceramic 12F150
Since you mentioned 2-10 inch speakers, I wonder how those speakers would fit into your original Fender 12 inch Deluxe combo cabinet?
For 10 inch speakers - I would try WEBER Ceramic Blues Dog 10 mixed with a Ceramic Silver Bell 10
For 12 inch speaker - Also a WEBER Ceramic 12F150
Lewguitar
New member
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
I feel like I have some experience with Deluxe Reverbs since I've been gigging with a pair of vintage blackface DR's for many years. I favor Celestions. I have a G12H30 in one and a vintage 60's G12 alnico in the other.
Used a Vintage 30 for a while, but the tone was a little to sharp and not as full and chunky as the G12H30.
I think the G12H30 is a great speaker in a DR. The best I've tried. Tried various Webers, Electro Voice, vintage Jensens, new Jensens, various Celestions like the V30, G12M Greenbacks, old Blackbacks, etc. I finally settled on the Celestion G12H30.
I have a 2 x 10 DR speaker board with aged grill cloth that I've thought about putting in one of my DR's. I think it's a good idea. Just haven't gotten around to trying it. If I did, I'd go for some 16 ohm Webers probably.
I feel like I have some experience with Deluxe Reverbs since I've been gigging with a pair of vintage blackface DR's for many years. I favor Celestions. I have a G12H30 in one and a vintage 60's G12 alnico in the other.
Used a Vintage 30 for a while, but the tone was a little to sharp and not as full and chunky as the G12H30.
I think the G12H30 is a great speaker in a DR. The best I've tried. Tried various Webers, Electro Voice, vintage Jensens, new Jensens, various Celestions like the V30, G12M Greenbacks, old Blackbacks, etc. I finally settled on the Celestion G12H30.
I have a 2 x 10 DR speaker board with aged grill cloth that I've thought about putting in one of my DR's. I think it's a good idea. Just haven't gotten around to trying it. If I did, I'd go for some 16 ohm Webers probably.
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misterwhizzy
Well-known member
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
My experience with this forum is that glassman knows EXACTLY what he's talking about, and if he doesn't, he won't post. Listen to him before you spend a bunch of money on a speaker that may or may not work. His money has to be where his mouth is, because he repairs and designs amps for a living.
My experience with this forum is that glassman knows EXACTLY what he's talking about, and if he doesn't, he won't post. Listen to him before you spend a bunch of money on a speaker that may or may not work. His money has to be where his mouth is, because he repairs and designs amps for a living.
SteveAlysis
New member
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
I really dig the g12H30 or Hellatone 30.... id also check out a G1265 or the Emi Tonespotter.
I really dig the g12H30 or Hellatone 30.... id also check out a G1265 or the Emi Tonespotter.
tubecrunch
New member
Re: Speaker for a Deluxe Reverb?
I have a weber 12f150, 16 ohm, light dope, barely used, was going to put it on clist. Send me a note if u r interested.
I have a weber 12f150, 16 ohm, light dope, barely used, was going to put it on clist. Send me a note if u r interested.
