Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

SlyFoxx

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I've had a host of different speakers in the thing since I bought it. (the original Utah's were utter crap) It's always sounded great but damn it's quite loud around the sweet spot. So I'm looking at P12Q @ 32 ohm (Jensen) as they offer a tame 92.3dB sensitivity with good power handling.

Any other recommendations?
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

thats pretty tame alright, not sure you will find something that sounds good lower than that. why 32 ohms? doesnt the amp want to see 8 ohms?
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

Well I wasn't looking for any (much) lower than that...would not really expect to find it. As for 32 ohm...the 32 ohm version of the P12 is much less sensitive than the 16 ohm version (96dB). Old Fender amps can run into any reasonable load so I would not see 16 ohms posing any problem... plus it would allow me the option of using just about any extension cab should the need arise.

I have been looking more this morning and Jensen also has the C series and Mod series which offer units in the 94 dB range so there's even more to choose from.
 
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i doubt youll hurt the amp at 16ohms but it will change the tone since its basically the tubes on one side of the ot and the speakers on the other. in all honesty, i dont love the italian jensens much at all. i have a p10q which i like but dont love. i run an eminence maverick in my dr which allows me to adjust the volume of the speaker. it does change the tone as you roll the volume down but not in a bad way at all but they dont make a 16 ohm version and youd have a volume on each speaker. weber make a dt series which is what i would look at.

https://www.tedweber.com/dt12 16ohms and 30w each
 
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thats pretty tame alright, not sure you will find something that sounds good lower than that. why 32 ohms? doesnt the amp want to see 8 ohms?

Obviously you're onto the lower speaker sensitivity route, and that will definitely work with good impedance matching between the speaker and output transformer.

The Pro Reverb wants a 4-ohm load, and there are a couple of other tricks to lower the headroom without castrating the tone. 1) Unless you are using channel 1, pull the V1 preamp tube and that'll shift the dynamics some.

2) Try a 12AY7 in V2

Another thing that is very effective, which does require some minor surgery, is to insert a 50K reverse audio SPST switching pot inline with the tremolo intensity pot, which allows you to "disconnect" the tremolo from the circuit, which takes the load from the circuit and provides more gain earlier thus allowing you to achieve the "sweet spot" at a lower volume. http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29569

All that said, the Jensen C12Q is perfect for what you're shooting for at 93.2 dB for an 8-ohm speaker: https://www.jensentone.com/specification-sheet/17
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

ok, so two 8ohm speakers for 4ohms in the pro reverb, good to know!

pulling v1 is a fine idea and will give you a touch of extra gain. putting a 12ay7 in v2 will get you more headroom, not less though, ive done it. i have the on/off trem pot on my deluxe and it makes a noticeable volume difference but not sure it lowers the headroom any. the sweet spot might be half a number lower on the volume control but the amp is putting out just as much signal at the sweet spot. i wouldnt put the c12q speakers in any of my amps for tonal reasons but thats pretty inefficient and the right impedance
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

Have tried different tube swaps over the years but I've found I like the standard complement with V1 pulled.

Thanks for the input so far.
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

If you want to tame the output, try a pair of eminence mavericks which are adjustable from 90-99db. real nice speakers even without the built in attenuation capabilities.
If you'd rather conventional speakers, the texas heat is not super loud (im pretty sure eminence, celestion and jensen all have slightly different standards when it comes to measuring their spls ) but a truly stellar sounding speaker in any fender amp. Thick enough, warm enough and balanced enough for getting great tones at any volume. Ive been using them for years in a twin to tame its output a little, but also in a princeton, a bassman clone, a hot rod and a 5e3. Sounded great in all of them- i dont have the hotrod anymore and the 5e3 has a maverick acting as a faux master volume. texas Heats are my fave speaker by a mile for fenders of any type.

Re: your model. Turning the master up all the way gives you a fatter tone so leave it up full. I know this seems counter intuitive given that you want to reduce volume, but you can always lower the channel volume and use a carefully selected od pedal if you want dirt. If the amp is sounding its best, you will get a good warm (but not necessarily dirty) tone across the whole volume spectrum.
Also if yours is one of the ones with the ultralinear transformer, there are taps on it so you can not run it in ultralinear mode.
Check your speaker baffle too. A lot of 70s fenders for some reason used particle board. If so, replace it with marine ply.
These things will get you a much fatter, sweeter tone at any volume so even when you are running the channel volume low, you will get a satisfying sound.
Forget about going for the fabled "power tube saturation". Blackface and silverface amps and later are simply not built to do that (yes i know stevie ray vaughan cranked his amps but he was also insanely loud which is impossible in most clubs these days). Let it do what it does best as well as it can, then modify your tone using your favourite pedal. You can get killer tones that way, but also work with the delicious cleans on offer. There is an incredible amount of nuance, expression and dynamics you can get simply by squeezing all you can out of how you actually play the guitar.

Last thing...keep your amp loaded with 4 ohms. It is how it was designed and although it can run with a mismatch, you gotta believe that the folks at fender knew exactly what they were doing back then. Do that and youll have killer tone for decades.
 
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... Also if yours is one of the ones with the ultralinear transformer, there are taps on it so you can not run it in ultralinear mode.

The UL PT didn't appear in the PR until around 1977


Check your speaker baffle too. A lot of 70s fenders for some reason used particle board. If so, replace it with marine ply.
These things will get you a much fatter, sweeter tone at any volume so even when you are running the channel volume low, you will get a satisfying sound.

The BF amps also had particle board baffles, and if I'm not mistaken the baffle in the 73 Pro was glued in, making it impractical to swap the baffle. Given the OP has already experimented heavily with preamp tube swaps, there are still a few things that work without too much effort.

The Tremolo-disconnect mod
5881 power tubes biased fairly hot
A low sensitivity speaker such as the C12Q (93.2dB), P12Q (94.4dB)

Another thing to consider is "perceived volume" based on the frequency response of the speaker. Speakers with big midrange or high-mid peaks will sound much louder to the ears that one with a flatter response or one with a scooped midrange.

I solved the exact same problem in my early-1968 silverface Pro Reverb by installing the tremolo-disconnect mod and installing a pair of WGS ET-65s. If you're anywhere near NC, you're welcome to come play it, or even take it on a gig to see how you like it.
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

Thanks gibson175 but...my amp has no master volume and as you suggest...not going for full bore big bottle distortion. I just want to run the puppy around 5 and not 2.5. At 5 I get those really satisfying dynamics...from a caress of the string to a full on sting and the 35dB or so difference between the two. My badcat, HK and 100 watt marshall don't even come close to the fender in that regard...they all seem compressed which is great for distortion but not so much for clean.

I've been looking at eminence with variable volumes...they look promising. Also been looking at Tone Tubby's but the two low sensitivity Humbolt models (alnico and ceramic ) https://tonetubby.com/specifications-humbolt-alnico-12-8-ohm/ are both out of stock. Going to inquire tomorrow about availability.

I've got three amps that do dirt and hi-gain off the charts but I really miss guitar--->cord----amp with that punchy clean with maybe a green distortion.
 
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the eminence mavericks are great, i really want to try the reignmaker as well but its always a special order and i already have too many speakers laying around. ive heard the weber dt10's and they sounded great and were noticeably lower volume than most anything i have experience with. i like the texas heats, really good sounding speakers, but they are still fairly efficient, louder than my greenbacks but not as loud as a g12h-30. again, im not a fan of the new jensens tone so cant recommend them, even if they arent very efficient.

i like the trem switch a lot and am happy i made that modification but again, i dont know if itll help this situation, although id suggest doing it anyway. using 5881 tubes is fine but they dont have the same tone as the ge or rca style 6l6gc which i love. i usually bias all my fender amps around 70% then adjust to taste and double check to make sure im not crazy over or red plating. if i cook the tubes a little faster, i dont sweat it.

havent tried those tone tubbys but i like the old alnico 12 i have.
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

Well I went with the Tone Tubby's Humboldt alnico 12" 8 ohm. Called them a hour ago and they did confirm in stock, so I just dropped a check in the mail.

I'll post back with results when they get here.
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

The original speakers in the blackface version of that amp would have been ceramic magnet Jensen C12N’s.

I’d be looking at something similar.

If the amp’s too loud sell it.

A blackface Pro Reverb was my #1 amp for years until I realized it was just too loud, I sold it, and started playing through 20 watt amps like the Deluxe Reverb.
 
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the older 60's had jensens, by the late 60's they were using other things. as much as i love my deluxe reverb, two 6l6s sound different than two 6v6. ive thought about making a 1x12 pro reverb to get some of the 6l6 sound in a manageable package.

let us know how you make out with the tone tubbys!
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

Well I went with the Tone Tubby's Humboldt alnico 12" 8 ohm. Called them a hour ago and they did confirm in stock, so I just dropped a check in the mail.

I'll post back with results when they get here.

Those are a good choice, IF they don't gobble up too much of the amp's headroom. The 7 oz magnet will definitely leave you lean and loose in the low end dept. Hope it works out
 
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Yeah...taking a swing at the fence for sure buying unheard but what the hey...haven't spent anything on my electric rigs in ages and I really love my old Pro. I remember getting it back around 1990/1 for 250 bucks. It was sitting next to a Twin of about the same year and that was going for 350. I glad I didn't get the Twin.
 
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The WGS ET-65s I have in my 68 Pro have been stellar. I'm definitely interested in your impression of the Humboldts in yours.
 
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UPS says they'll arrive tomorrow. Almost a new amp day situation.
 
Re: Speaker recommendations 73 Fender Pro Reverb

nice! looking forward to what ya think!
 
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