Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

EDIT: Just saw your post on the g12T-75's. I use these in Marshall cabs and I very much dislike them for cleans. They sound okay for metal, but cleans? Also, make sure that when you're looking at speakers you're getting enough wattage (not that the 75's won't do, but TGWIF is right about the Greenbacks). Just tell me this...do you want a Fender tone or something different? Maybe we can start from there.

I have Celestion Modern Leads in it now (G12 i think), but they're old and one is broke. I prefer the Twin to sound like (ahem) a twin, but not really with an emphasis on vintage or on modern tone. Technically I use this thing for lead tone, so in theory Celestion Leads or similar would work. I loved how the jazz clip on celestion's website sounded through the G12T-75, which is why I said that. I LOVE the tone that clip has. Basically, I want the amp to sound ultra-sexy at all 5's on all knobs with my ESP with the Jazz neck playing through it. I have effects for all other styles in the form of my ME-50. I actually loved how it sounded with the Modern Leads anyways. However, my pocketbook can only tolerate $100 per speaker max (i.e. exactly $100 US, so $200 max total). This is why I'm hesitant about the Weber 12F150's: they sound excellent, but with tax and shipping they'll put me over.

Other amps I have liked the sound of: Peavey Delta Blues 2x10 and '65 Fender Twin Reverb reissues, and Marshall MG15DFX (and cousins). I also liked, ironically, the Line Out amp simulator on my Boss ME-50 through two 35W Roland keyboard amps (but it was rather bright).

Anyways, I hope that helps.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

Didn't notice before: Weber has a Signature Series Ceramic 12B. It's only 50 Watts, etc, but it's the "economical replacement", and cheaper than new Jensen C12N's that should've came originally in my amp. Since I play mostly in church and don't usually need to run at "11" (usually on a Peavey Delta Blues I'm running on 2 on the master volume lol), wouldn't this be an even better speaker at $45 / each versus $70 / each for Jensen C12N's ? The only thing cheaper is the Eminence combo for $125 total (TH = $60 RW&B = $65).

 

[Jeff Seal]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

????.. is there some particular reason to not have the originals "reconed" and go from there..

Jeff Seal

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

????.. is there some particular reason to not have the originals "reconed" and go from there..

Jeff Seal

Re-cone is $65 from what I'm seeing online, each, so by then I might as well have bought new speakers anyways. I dunno, do ya think Celestion G12 Modern Leads (from the 90s probably) are worth re-coning?

EDIT: Weber offers it for $50 per speaker. This is very tempting. It's cheaper than practically all other options besides buying the Weber Signature 12" ceramic, except for the shipping and handling charges incurred with sending the speakers in. However, I love the sound I had, so I'll consider this an option as well.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

Ok, here is the deal...

I suggested Jensen C12K's, the Tube Depot sells them for $81.95 each, you could go with the Weber 12F150's or the Chicago's, those are $90 each or you could go with various Eminence those run from around $60 to around $85 depending on the speaker through Dave at avatar...NONE of the speakers I suggested are over $200 a pair.

As for the Twin being 100 watts vs 85, big deal...it's 15 watts and the truth is you can't hear a watt anyway...I was simply trying to tell you that 2 25 watt speakers will have a very short life in a Twin Reverb.

AS for Jeff idea of getting the original Oxfords reconed that is also an option, IMO Oxfords sound like crap...I call them Ox-Farts for a reason, however if you wanted to you could have them reconed.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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AS for Jeff idea of getting the original Oxfords reconed that is also an option, IMO Oxfords sound like crap...I call them Ox-Farts for a reason, however if you wanted to you could have them reconed.

Sorry if I forgot to mention this, or mentioned it wrong. Originally my TR had Oxfords, yes, but it doesn't have those now. It has Celestion G12 Modern Leads in it right now: I bought it this way, and didn't notice one of the speaker voice coils is broken. That's why I was interested in reconing. Do you think these speakers are worth reconing? I like how the other non-broken speaker sounds....

And sorry if I sound sort of undecided....

 

[flank]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

im unfamiliar with those celestions, but ive played one Twin Reverb with celestions in it, and i didnt too much care for the way the sound was changed. They are better paired with a british styled amp, thats not to say they sounded bad with a Twin though. I still think you would be better off with one of the other options than to have that speaker fixed. It all just depends whether you want to have a more authentic Fender twin reverb tone, or a different take on it, which celestions will do to the sound.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

im unfamiliar with those celestions, but ive played one Twin Reverb with celestions in it, and i didnt too much care for the way the sound was changed. They are better paired with a british styled amp, thats not to say they sounded bad with a Twin though. I still think you would be better off with one of the other options than to have that speaker fixed. It all just depends whether you want to have a more authentic Fender twin reverb tone, or a different take on it, which celestions will do to the sound.

I just want the TR to sound beautiful (absolutely to die for when clean playing jazz), and to be versatile (again, Christian music, we don't play SlipKnot, etc lol but we play music that "dabbles" in all the various genres). And I did like how it sounded with those Modern Lead speakers in it.

 

[bungalowbill]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I just want the TR to sound beautiful (absolutely to die for when clean playing jazz), and to be versatile (again, Christian music, we don't play SlipKnot, etc lol but we play music that "dabbles" in all the various genres). And I did like how it sounded with those Modern Lead speakers in it.

If you want beautiful cleans, go with what Christian advised. Celestions are better suited for amps with very pronounced midrange which a Twin doesn't have.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

If you want beautiful cleans, go with what Christian advised. Celestions are better suited for amps with very pronounced midrange which a Twin doesn't have.

I apologize, but last time, I checked everyone's user info and I couldn't figure out who Christian is. Which user is that?

 

[flank]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I just want the TR to sound beautiful (absolutely to die for when clean playing jazz), and to be versatile (again, Christian music, we don't play SlipKnot, etc lol but we play music that "dabbles" in all the various genres). And I did like how it sounded with those Modern Lead speakers in it.

well, go with either mine or Christians suggestions. I can tell you that the Texas Heat are amazing sounding for a clean tone. I prefer them than the vintage JBLs that were in the amp before i replaced them. the Texas Heat work well for just about anything, and will handle anything you can throw at it. A perfect match for vintage Fender amps. I think Scott F gave a thumbs up to the Texas Heat as well when he tried them in an old Fender.

 

[bungalowbill]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I apologize, but last time, I checked everyone's user info and I couldn't figure out who Christian is. Which user is that?

The guy who invented fire.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I just talked to Dave's assistant at Avatar like Christian recommended. I said I wanted ultra-sexy cleans but to sound decent in all other genres that Christian music tends to "dabble" in, he recommended Celestion Vintage 30s, and when he said $79 / speaker I was totally blown away, so I ordered and it should ship out soon.

Thanks everyone! You really helped me out!

 

[flank]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I just talked to Dave's assistant at Avatar like Christian recommended. I said I wanted ultra-sexy cleans but to sound decent in all other genres that Christian music tends to "dabble" in, he recommended Celestion Vintage 30s, and when he said $79 / speaker I was totally blown away, so I ordered and it should ship out soon.

Thanks everyone! You really helped me out!

Hope you like them. Wouldnt be my first choice for what you want, but it should work out fine.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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Ok, called Dave back, he recommended Celestion Classic Lead 80's, so I switched over to those (same price). I read somewhere online that they're the "successor" to the speakers I currently have, so I'm good with that.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

Ok, called Dave back, he recommended Celestion Classic Lead 80's, so I switched over to those (same price). I read somewhere online that they're the "successor" to the speakers I currently have, so I'm good with that.

For beautiful jazz cleans and other stuff from a Twin Revebr I still would have gone with the Jensen's or the Webers but if I were gonna put Celestions in my Twin Reverb those are the ones I would get...

Good luck.

 

[esandes]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

no jensens in the poll?

 

[Farkus]

Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I just talked to Dave's assistant at Avatar like Christian recommended. I said I wanted ultra-sexy cleans but to sound decent in all other genres that Christian music tends to "dabble" in, he recommended Celestion Vintage 30s, and when he said $79 / speaker I was totally blown away, so I ordered and it should ship out soon.

Thanks everyone! You really helped me out!

Has anyone noticed that Avatar has taken the Eminence speakers off of their website? They are saying Eminence offers too many choices when it comes to speakers, lol. When I called Dave he suggested I go with Eminence for my Fender...but I wanted different sounds than you do I guess.

Dude, I'm glad you got your order in. I was dropping in to tell ya that I tried a set of Eminence Swamp Thangs (from Drew_Half_Empty) with my '67 Bandmaster (from Puckboy99) last night and they sound outstanding. They'll do the Fender clean thing as well as the sexiest overdrive (with my stock Boss OD) I've ever gotten from a Fender.

Please let us know how the Celestions work out for you bro.

Mark

 

[zzmoore]

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My son has had very pleasing results with Eminence Legend GB12. He has one each in a Fender BDRI and a Traynor YCV 40. A real nice tone for his style of playing, Stones, Guess Who, CCR, etc. etc. They are not in your poll but they are in your price range.
Good luck with your pick!

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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Update: I got 'em in tonight. Paid a co-worker $20 to do it 'cause we were working hard on the aircraft all night.

They sound almost identical to the Modern Leads it used to have. I verified that the old speakers were broken, and yes, one of them, the cone refuses to even move. Definitely the source of the problem. So I'll be eBay-ing one working Modern Lead lol.

Now comes the fun part:
1) Do I need to break the speakers in? If so, how?
2) I think my co-worker possibly wired the speakers wrong (as volumes at 10s don't cause ears to bleed). Anyone have the diagram for which part of the 1/4" 90 degree jack goes to + on the speakers and to - on the speakers?
3) If it's still not loud, what should I troubleshoot next? I made sure that I checked that both speakers (new) were working, and they were.
4) I still once in a while get a popping / volume drop-out ....