Specs of Invader pole pieces?
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Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
Yeah I think I read somewhere that they are the same size as rack-mount screws. Just look at the invader though, those are some big screws. Anyways I'm looking at the box of screws I used to replace the pole pieces in my invader and they are 10-32 x 1/2.
Yeah I think I read somewhere that they are the same size as rack-mount screws. Just look at the invader though, those are some big screws. Anyways I'm looking at the box of screws I used to replace the pole pieces in my invader and they are 10-32 x 1/2.
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
That I don't remember, the box doesn't say and it was 3 years ago or so when I was looking into it. Hopefully someone who knows will chime in, or you might be able to find out on here, I'm pretty sure I got all my information at the time from the reading old threads in this forum.
That I don't remember, the box doesn't say and it was 3 years ago or so when I was looking into it. Hopefully someone who knows will chime in, or you might be able to find out on here, I'm pretty sure I got all my information at the time from the reading old threads in this forum.
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
Here is an old thread about changing the pole pieces on an invader.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?11557-Invader-with-regular-pole-pieces
I don't think they ever came to a conclusion about what they were supposed to be made of, but it's interesting and there is a picture or two of the invader with the smaller hex screws which is what I got to change mine out. Right now I'm using six of the smaller hex screws and six of the regular poles on my invader. If you want I could even send you some, I bought a box of 50 so I think I could spare twelve
Here is an old thread about changing the pole pieces on an invader.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?11557-Invader-with-regular-pole-pieces
I don't think they ever came to a conclusion about what they were supposed to be made of, but it's interesting and there is a picture or two of the invader with the smaller hex screws which is what I got to change mine out. Right now I'm using six of the smaller hex screws and six of the regular poles on my invader. If you want I could even send you some, I bought a box of 50 so I think I could spare twelve
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
^^
You have an Invader with one coil having hex heads? How do you have it, hex on the screw side or the slug side? And how does that bad boy sound? I've been wondering about that mod for a few years now.
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^^
You have an Invader with one coil having hex heads? How do you have it, hex on the screw side or the slug side? And how does that bad boy sound? I've been wondering about that mod for a few years now.
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Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
i have the larger normal invader poles on the screw side, or the side closet to the bridge. I think it sounds awesome. Brighter and tighter with the smaller hex screws, still crazy high output. I had all 12 switched to the smaller screws for a while, I'm not exactly sure why I switched to the hybrid configuration, maybe I thought it was too razor sharp sounding at the time. But you know how it goes with these kind of tonal experiments, there are a lot of variables and one thing might sound better one day and another thing another day. i will say the smaller screws do seem to make it brighter which I like. With all 12 switched to the smaller screws it's possible to move the whole pickup a lot closer to the strings which changes things as well. Overall though I like it better with at least 6 of the smaller screws because I like brightness in a pickup.
i have the larger normal invader poles on the screw side, or the side closet to the bridge. I think it sounds awesome. Brighter and tighter with the smaller hex screws, still crazy high output. I had all 12 switched to the smaller screws for a while, I'm not exactly sure why I switched to the hybrid configuration, maybe I thought it was too razor sharp sounding at the time. But you know how it goes with these kind of tonal experiments, there are a lot of variables and one thing might sound better one day and another thing another day. i will say the smaller screws do seem to make it brighter which I like. With all 12 switched to the smaller screws it's possible to move the whole pickup a lot closer to the strings which changes things as well. Overall though I like it better with at least 6 of the smaller screws because I like brightness in a pickup.
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
I always figured one row of hexes would give it a brighter edge. I also have wondered ab an Invader/Demon hybrid. I bet the mismatch between the coils and pole pieces would be interesting.
Glad to hear you've tried something similar.
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I always figured one row of hexes would give it a brighter edge. I also have wondered ab an Invader/Demon hybrid. I bet the mismatch between the coils and pole pieces would be interesting.
Glad to hear you've tried something similar.
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Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
I borrowed the following quote from the What happened to the Duncan Performer line? post so that I don't hijack that thread.
Good observation. Let me come back to that.
Thanks man. That's very generous of you. But let me explain what I'm toying with doing before I take you up on that.
In the "Whatever happened to" thread, there's a nice link to yet another thread where Evan Skopp clearly explains that the Detonator was made from the "design" of the coils of the Distortion, combined with the poles from the Invader, topped off with a "standard" thickness ceramic magnet. That got my little gray cells to working:
Could I make a "USA" Detonator by taking a bonafide Distortion, and adding the Invader button-top 10-32 hex-head screw pole pieces? I'd be using the stock Distortion thicker ceramic mag, but not including the side mags of the "real" Invader. Could be fun.
But that brings me back to Johnny the Kid's point. The "stud" side coil will be ok, but can I drill out the "screw" side coil, to fit the 10-32 screws, without digging into the windings? Do both bobbins start out the same but with one drilled out with larger holes?
So, that's where I'm going with this.
Artie
I borrowed the following quote from the What happened to the Duncan Performer line? post so that I don't hijack that thread.
Good observation. Let me come back to that.
If you want I could even send you some, I bought a box of 50 so I think I could spare twelve
Thanks man. That's very generous of you. But let me explain what I'm toying with doing before I take you up on that.
In the "Whatever happened to" thread, there's a nice link to yet another thread where Evan Skopp clearly explains that the Detonator was made from the "design" of the coils of the Distortion, combined with the poles from the Invader, topped off with a "standard" thickness ceramic magnet. That got my little gray cells to working:
Could I make a "USA" Detonator by taking a bonafide Distortion, and adding the Invader button-top 10-32 hex-head screw pole pieces? I'd be using the stock Distortion thicker ceramic mag, but not including the side mags of the "real" Invader. Could be fun.
But that brings me back to Johnny the Kid's point. The "stud" side coil will be ok, but can I drill out the "screw" side coil, to fit the 10-32 screws, without digging into the windings? Do both bobbins start out the same but with one drilled out with larger holes?
So, that's where I'm going with this.
Artie
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
OK, I'm getting a little confused...
Are the large button head pole screws of the Invader supposed to be brighter sounding than the normal pole screws (as used in eg: the 59)? So, putting Invader poles in a Distortion will make it brighter? Why in the world would you want to do that?
OK, I'm getting a little confused...
Are the large button head pole screws of the Invader supposed to be brighter sounding than the normal pole screws (as used in eg: the 59)? So, putting Invader poles in a Distortion will make it brighter? Why in the world would you want to do that?
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
No the smaller screws are brighter than the big invader screws. The invader itself can be kinda dark and swapping the big invader screws out to the smaller screws adds some edge to it.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that the big heads mainly just spread the string sensing area. Or something like that.
I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that the big heads mainly just spread the string sensing area. Or something like that.
gearhead63
Member
Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
Just thought I'd throw this out there. The holes in the invader coils are the same size (3/16") as the solid slugs in regular humbuckers. I've knocked some out of old units I had and put them in my invader. Works a charm. Not sure about the screws tho, because most pu's have a steel bar with threaded hole under the coil that those screws go into.
Just thought I'd throw this out there. The holes in the invader coils are the same size (3/16") as the solid slugs in regular humbuckers. I've knocked some out of old units I had and put them in my invader. Works a charm. Not sure about the screws tho, because most pu's have a steel bar with threaded hole under the coil that those screws go into.
Chistopher
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Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
Didn't you just post on like three other threads that you tried this with a Detonator and didn't know if it would work with an Invader?
Didn't you just post on like three other threads that you tried this with a Detonator and didn't know if it would work with an Invader?
FernandoDuarte
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Re: Specs of Invader pole pieces?
Hello, sorry for ressurect an old thread... Does the 10/32 means 8mm diameter of the thread part???
There are some screws in USA that we don't have in Brazil, like "standard set screws" which I don't understand very well too...
Hello, sorry for ressurect an old thread... Does the 10/32 means 8mm diameter of the thread part???
There are some screws in USA that we don't have in Brazil, like "standard set screws" which I don't understand very well too...
