Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
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Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
Yes
A trem spaced PG is just that, a trem spaced PG. It does not become a PG+ by dint of being wider.
I'm pretty sure when I measured my PG+ it had the normally spacing. When I get home later I can measure it again and just check, as it's not in the Strat it came out of right now.
Yes
A trem spaced PG is just that, a trem spaced PG. It does not become a PG+ by dint of being wider.
I'm pretty sure when I measured my PG+ it had the normally spacing. When I get home later I can measure it again and just check, as it's not in the Strat it came out of right now.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
I'm not seeing how an A5 in bright wood sounds like an A2 in warm wood. The magnet/wood combinations both push them in different EQ directions. To get them similar, a wam magnet in bright wood will sound closer to a bright magnet in warm wood.
I'm not seeing how an A5 in bright wood sounds like an A2 in warm wood. The magnet/wood combinations both push them in different EQ directions. To get them similar, a wam magnet in bright wood will sound closer to a bright magnet in warm wood.
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
The two PG+ I have are wound no hotter than a normal PG, in fact they're both less the the PG I still use (8.1 vs. 8.3). I've seen old posts where there were PG+ in the high 8s, but not my 10 yo versions.
Stock, it's used in a strat with 250k pots, and most people would use the standard PG in a LP with 500k. While it certainly doesn't make a strat into a LP, the extra bass from the A5 and the dampening of the high end with the 250k volume pot makes it fairly fat & gnarly. While some people call it bright in a strat, it's much fatter & darker than any single coil bridge I've ever played, unless of course compared to a hot bucker wired the same way.
The two PG+ I have are wound no hotter than a normal PG, in fact they're both less the the PG I still use (8.1 vs. 8.3). I've seen old posts where there were PG+ in the high 8s, but not my 10 yo versions.
Stock, it's used in a strat with 250k pots, and most people would use the standard PG in a LP with 500k. While it certainly doesn't make a strat into a LP, the extra bass from the A5 and the dampening of the high end with the 250k volume pot makes it fairly fat & gnarly. While some people call it bright in a strat, it's much fatter & darker than any single coil bridge I've ever played, unless of course compared to a hot bucker wired the same way.
Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
Mine's measures 48.5mm between centres on the slug coil, and 8.1k ohms on the meter.
Edit: I just put a PGb on the meter - that's 7.92k ohms.
Mine's measures 48.5mm between centres on the slug coil, and 8.1k ohms on the meter.
Edit: I just put a PGb on the meter - that's 7.92k ohms.
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Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
And that's why you aren't Seymour Duncan. He sees and hears these things, and is a tonal genius. You aren't.
And that's why you aren't Seymour Duncan. He sees and hears these things, and is a tonal genius. You aren't.
Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
I had a PGb that was about that low, wasn't real keen on it in the bridge; made a pretty good neck pup, though. Sold to someone on the forum years ago. Kept the other one at 8.3-8.4 that was a lot better in the bridge.
I had a PGb that was about that low, wasn't real keen on it in the bridge; made a pretty good neck pup, though. Sold to someone on the forum years ago. Kept the other one at 8.3-8.4 that was a lot better in the bridge.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
Seymour can't anticipate every guitar, amp, and genre his PU's will be played with. He knows, and apparently you don't, that:
- warm magnets in warm woods = warm tones
- bright magnets in bright woods = bright tones
Seymour can't anticipate every guitar, amp, and genre his PU's will be played with. He knows, and apparently you don't, that:
- warm magnets in warm woods = warm tones
- bright magnets in bright woods = bright tones
EET_FUK
New member
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
From what I understand, the A5 was used in the PG+ to maintain that signature sizzle in the highs when more wounds were added, which naturally darkens the tone. Basically, to keep it sounding like a PG.
From what I understand, the A5 was used in the PG+ to maintain that signature sizzle in the highs when more wounds were added, which naturally darkens the tone. Basically, to keep it sounding like a PG.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
A5's are bright and bass-heavy, with scooped mids and a firm low-end. A2's have a lot of mids, a loose low-end, not much treble, and much more texture and earthy dynamics. When you change magnets from A2 to A5, or from A5 to A2, you get a very different sound. PG+'s didn't get enough extra windings to warm them that much. Whatever warmth that imparted, it was more than offset by the much brighter magnet (going from warmest alnico to brightest). A PG+ in a Strat doesn't have a lot in common tone-wise with a PG in an LP. Two very different things. As many members here have commented on over the years, they don't hear 'sizzle' with their PG's, and wonder about that term. I heard zero 'sizzle' with my PGN. Along with '57 Classics, they had less sizzle than any other neck HB's I've owned. But that's in an LP. They sound different in a Strat; then they get more high-end.
A5's are bright and bass-heavy, with scooped mids and a firm low-end. A2's have a lot of mids, a loose low-end, not much treble, and much more texture and earthy dynamics. When you change magnets from A2 to A5, or from A5 to A2, you get a very different sound. PG+'s didn't get enough extra windings to warm them that much. Whatever warmth that imparted, it was more than offset by the much brighter magnet (going from warmest alnico to brightest). A PG+ in a Strat doesn't have a lot in common tone-wise with a PG in an LP. Two very different things. As many members here have commented on over the years, they don't hear 'sizzle' with their PG's, and wonder about that term. I heard zero 'sizzle' with my PGN. Along with '57 Classics, they had less sizzle than any other neck HB's I've owned. But that's in an LP. They sound different in a Strat; then they get more high-end.
ErikH
Well-known member
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
What has been mentioned and has been forgotten here is that the PG+ was used with 250k pots in the Strats it came in. With an A2 magnet it would be too dark. A5 fixes that and with the 250k pots instead of 500k (because of the 2 single-coils), the highs and lows are tamed back and the mids are more pronounced.
Does it sound like an LP? Not at all. Just gives the Strat a beefier bridge sound which can get in the ballpark.
Not all Strats are bright by nature. I've heard Les Pauls that are brighter than my frankenstrat.
What has been mentioned and has been forgotten here is that the PG+ was used with 250k pots in the Strats it came in. With an A2 magnet it would be too dark. A5 fixes that and with the 250k pots instead of 500k (because of the 2 single-coils), the highs and lows are tamed back and the mids are more pronounced.
Does it sound like an LP? Not at all. Just gives the Strat a beefier bridge sound which can get in the ballpark.
Not all Strats are bright by nature. I've heard Les Pauls that are brighter than my frankenstrat.
EET_FUK
New member
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?191505-Pearly-Gates-vs-Pearly-Gates-Plus
The story according to Evan.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?191505-Pearly-Gates-vs-Pearly-Gates-Plus
The story according to Evan.
Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
I can't remember to be honest, I had mine open a while back too, but didn't take too much notice. And Lonestars, at least the original MIA models, definitely had the PG+ in them.
I can't remember to be honest, I had mine open a while back too, but didn't take too much notice. And Lonestars, at least the original MIA models, definitely had the PG+ in them.
DTrane
New member
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
apparently they made some with hardtail bodies.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-1999...r-/261367970255?pt=Guitar&hash=item3cdabeb9cf
apparently they made some with hardtail bodies.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-1999...r-/261367970255?pt=Guitar&hash=item3cdabeb9cf
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Specs on Pearly Gates and PG+
Even you admit the PGb is bright with such a "warm" magnet.
Remember, we are talking about PICKUPS, entire assemblies of parts for a specific sound, in guitars; not MAGNETS, only a part of that assembly, alone in guitars.
I'd speculate the extra windings darkens up the very-bright PGb wind enough to let the A5 in a strat sound similar.
I've had dark pickups with A5 magnets, and bright pickups with A2. The magnets alone are not EVERYTHING in the final sound as this post makes them out to be. Mahogany also tends to be inconsistent with many different species being sold as "Mahogany" in the guitar market. Some pieces are completely bright while others are very warm. It is very possible for an A2 pickup with a certain wind in a certain all-mahogany guitar to be ear-piercingly bright. It is also very possible for these "bright magnets" such as A5 in "bright woods" such as alder to result in a dark sound. All from personal experience.
Even you admit the PGb is bright with such a "warm" magnet.
Remember, we are talking about PICKUPS, entire assemblies of parts for a specific sound, in guitars; not MAGNETS, only a part of that assembly, alone in guitars.
I'd speculate the extra windings darkens up the very-bright PGb wind enough to let the A5 in a strat sound similar.
I've had dark pickups with A5 magnets, and bright pickups with A2. The magnets alone are not EVERYTHING in the final sound as this post makes them out to be. Mahogany also tends to be inconsistent with many different species being sold as "Mahogany" in the guitar market. Some pieces are completely bright while others are very warm. It is very possible for an A2 pickup with a certain wind in a certain all-mahogany guitar to be ear-piercingly bright. It is also very possible for these "bright magnets" such as A5 in "bright woods" such as alder to result in a dark sound. All from personal experience.
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