Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

[Mincer]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

It is amazing to me that modern ones actually are more common now than the split shaft ones, which, I think are a much better design. The fact that you'd have 6 needles sticking out in a location you regularly grab seems like a design flaw to me.

 

[Adieu]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

They are a good idea, and you really should see more of them. I'd love them combined with a locking design- I don't know if I've ever seen that.

If you've taken a look at how locking tuners function, I really don't see how that could work

 

[Artie]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

If "split-shaft" means what I think it means, with the hole down the center, like my Peaveys have, then I love them. Just so there's no pointy string sticking out to jab you. I wish they were more readily available aftermarket.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

It is amazing to me that modern ones actually are more common now than the split shaft ones, which, I think are a much better design. The fact that you'd have 6 needles sticking out in a location you regularly grab seems like a design flaw to me.

Well not to contradict you ,
But
Who really grabs the face of the headstock?

 

[Artie]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Well not to contradict you ,
But
Who really grabs the face of the headstock?

It's not really that. I can't tell you how many times I've bent over, in close proximity to the headstock, to put my eyes at risk. If you've ever seen any of my guitar pics, you might notice that I store my pedals down, and to the left, of my guitar stand. I'm constantly reaching down there, under my bench, to find a different pedal. Maybe not a good setup, but it's why I dress my strings carefully.

 

[SAguitar]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

You kids be careful out there, you could put an eye out with that thing!

Really, I can't recall how many times I have poked myself with a string end and produced blood. I have the old style split shafts on a couple of my Strats and I love them.

 

[ibanezrocks]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I've never once stabbed myself on the end of a string so I'm not sure it's as big of an advantage as some of you are suggesting. However, the winding process, especially cutting the string before winding, sounds like more hassle.

Just cut the string ends close to the tuner.

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[Mincer]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Anyone who has grabbed a guitar tuner quickly has poked themselves with a string. Also, I could see how a locking mechanism could work. It would have to lock the string in the hole vs on the post.

 

[ibanezrocks]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Anyone who has grabbed a guitar tuner quickly has poked themselves with a string. Also, I could see how a locking mechanism could work. It would have to lock the string in the hole vs on the post.

I don't get it, you grab the keys on the side/behind the headstock and you're stabbing yourself with something on the front of the headstock?

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[Chistopher]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Anyone who has grabbed a guitar tuner quickly has poked themselves with a string. Also, I could see how a locking mechanism could work. It would have to lock the string in the hole vs on the post.

Here's my idea the hole in the center of the tuner goes all the way through to the back. Then when you lock it, a clipping mechanism clips off the excess string.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Here's my idea the hole in the center of the tuner goes all the way through to the back. Then when you lock it, a clipping mechanism clips off the excess string.

See? Not that hard to conceptualize. Great idea! The fact that any part of a modern guitar string can pierce your skin is a failure of design.

 

[LLL]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Callaham makes and sells them. I have them on my strat and love them.

Ditto.

 

[Artie]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I'm not sure that "locking" would even be important with these. All my Peavey's, and a couple other guitars, have these. The simple fact that the string goes down the hole, makes locking, virtually irrelevant. IMHO.

 

[Chistopher]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I'm not sure that "locking" would even be important with these. All my Peavey's, and a couple other guitars, have these. The simple fact that the string goes down the hole, makes locking, virtually irrelevant. IMHO.

Less wraps around the tuners leading to less play in the string is a good benefit.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Less wraps around the tuners leading to less play in the string is a good benefit.

And even quicker string changes...it wouldn't even have to wind once around the post.

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Still not the same strategy as locking tuners, you do need to have several wraps (for the high strings in particular) with slotted tuners. Can't just go no-wrap like lockers.

 

[Jacew]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Still not the same strategy as locking tuners, you do need to have several wraps (for the high strings in particular) with slotted tuners. Can't just go no-wrap like lockers.

No you don't. I used to have one wrap per string, and two for high e and b with split shaft Klusons.

You can lock the string by wrapping the in once around other half on top before wrapping it around the post.

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

The point is you still need wraps (at least one) per your above setup. With lockers you can just pull the string taut, lock, tune, and have a fractional wrap around the post.

IMO a half-post wrap still counts as a wrap where slip could conceivably occur.

 

[Jacew]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

The point is you still need wraps (at least one) per your above setup. With lockers you can just pull the string taut, lock, tune, and have a fractional wrap around the post.

IMO a half-post wrap still counts as a wrap where slip could conceivably occur.

Sure. Just responding you don't need that many as several.

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I still use several to be safe. Have had one not be enough on high e strings before with slotted tuners- but I use nines.