SS Modelers

[Hurricane]

Listened to a sharp guitarist in action live last night at a casino near home , he had a PRS guitar hooked to a Boss GT10 and with the two they did a great job .

The band really did an impressive job on the Michael Jackson album " Thriller " , they nailed it . They band was from the Philippines with the exception of an American drummer who did a great job on cover from Earth Wind & Fire .

The guitar did a super job of a funk sound too for the Jackson and EWF arrangements . Looks like he had a hybrid SS amp and 12 inch single and they mic'd it with a SM58 , clean I really liked it , no fooling I am sold .

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I am doing the same with my light weight Polytone vintage Mini Brute

with my GNX4 DAW Digitech

, and pumping it through a P. A. when the P. A. is state of the art .

Once you can learn how to dial in a modeler to sound like what your after it's cool .

Easy all :

Hurricane Ramon

 

[ehdwuld]

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thats what i do

my GNX3 will let me select an acoustic sim and a Fender Twin sim
then assign the foot pedal to pan between the two

when doing some Mellancamp songs this comes in handy

of course you could pan between/blend a marshal and fender
or some other stuff to

I agree in a live band with all the other stuff going on
one really cant discern the differences between models and tubes

does the GNX4 have the looper too?
that would be cooler than snot

 

[jacksontrader]

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A lot easier than caring a half stack to gigs for sure.

 

[Hellion]

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Ya know, I just played a show last night where I should have just taken my P.O.D. and plugged in to the house system.

 

[schecterplayer]

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I really want to build a lightweight modeling rig for gigs where portability matters a little more than tone. I'm thinking a Mesa Theile cab with an EV and a compact solid state power amp would make for an awesome little rig.

 

[Andrew Lamprecht]

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I am using a Line 6 M5 now and love it. Don't tell anyone though..... haha

 

[Aceman]

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Guys will applaud the tone of guys using racks of doom from 20+ years ago. These things have 10 times the power and performance and they are poo poo'd.

Musicians are a superstitious and wacky lot. You can get a good tone out of most anything IF you use your ears, and learn how to dial things in.

That is beyond most players. And this is a tone snob farm, which makes it seem even worse!

 

[Diego]

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I still prefer to take my Cube 60 to certain gigs and use the cab emulated line out to a PA, when there's nice speakers on the house.

I barely have to EQ a thing and it sounds huge from the beginning.

 

[LesStrat]

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I play through a POD>90% of the time.

 

[ErikH]

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I gig with my Vox Valvetronix AD50VT almost exclusively. There's a few times where I pull the Marshall out of the closet and use it at a gig but rare anymore. My backup rig is Amplitube on my iPhone using the newly added Soldano SLO model.

 

[ImmortalSix]

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I have gigged a lot with a VOX Valvetronix.

It's modeling section is all solid state. (Though there is a single 12AX7 that plays a role the power section).

I think it sounds great.

 

[NecroPolo]

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Do you remember my spine problem thread last year? You gave great suggestions there to find alternative solutions. Advices were taken and my live rig is an AMT M1/P1 preamp into an EHX 44Magnum power amp (class D for president!) with a few extra pedals and that's all. Man I even sold all my tube heads after this pocket rig outperformed some of my most fav amps in the studio in a head-to-head test. Now onstage I use the cab sim out of the AMT through a DI box, the normal output feeds the Magnum and a small cab and man I admit that I never sounded better live.

You couldn't be more right in the "know your weepon" case in my opinion. All of these were created without using any amp/cab:

(G1)

(TriAc)

(AMT P1)

(G1)

(SD1 + AMT M1)

From First to Last (G1, ReValver MK2 cab sim)

Dixie Bits (G1)

Krakout (AMT M1, G1)

 

[Binnerscot]

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Guys will applaud the tone of guys using racks of doom from 20+ years ago. These things have 10 times the power and performance and they are poo poo'd.

Musicians are a superstitious and wacky lot. You can get a good tone out of most anything IF you use your ears, and learn how to dial things in.

That is beyond most players. And this is a tone snob farm, which makes it seem even worse!

A lot of those racks of doom were simply high quality tube preamps and power amps with MIDI control.

 

[Hurricane]

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Excerpt :

thats what i do
I agree in a live band with all the other stuff going on
one really cant discern the differences between models and tubes

does the GNX4 have the looper too?
that would be cooler than snot

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GNX3's are cool too . I almost bought one when they ( Digitech ) released the GNX4 so I opt'd fore the 4 .

Yeah she do loop beautifully .

I am happy with it . I still love my tube stuff and will play them and more than likely record with them but for live stuff , my back sez SS Modeler man .

Easy .

 

[Hurricane]

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I really want to build a lightweight modeling rig for gigs where portability matters a little more than tone. I'm thinking a Mesa Theile cab with an EV and a compact solid state power amp would make for an awesome little rig.

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Your kind of thinking got me going in that direction a while back as I thought it through after I got a second chance to dance with guitar late in life @ 48 . So far it's working man , & it's working good .

What's cool with what I have put together is if I want to go bigger all I do is add a stereo power amp ( and multichannel mixer ) that's state of the art clean as can be with flat speaker cabs and I get it all from what ever I want - B . B . King - Eric Clapton - Jeff Beck or if I am playing a bass I get a SVT Ampeg heh heh heh I love it .

Ya know, I just played a show last night where I should have just taken my P.O.D. and plugged in to the house system.

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Don't ya hate it when you realize $hit like that ! B ut on the bright side there's next time

A lot easier than caring a half stack to gigs for sure.

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For sure man , I was dieing ( my back ) and all I I had was a Marshall 60 watt tuber 12"X2 combo , loved it , hated to let it go but ya have to do what ya have to do .

I am using a Line 6 M5 now and love it. Don't tell anyone though..... haha

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Yeah it's like we're supposed to be ashamed to knock the almighty tube amp sound at all . Some day you will come out of the closet like me on this issue of to tube or not to tube heh heh heh .

Excerpt :

Musicians are a superstitious and wacky lot.

And this is a tone snob farm, which makes it seem even worse!

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Sometimes you have to shake up the tree a tad and let the loose old branches fall off so the tree can grow some more .

Call it a digital " Pruning " if you will heh heh heh .

Supersticious - musicians - really - naw - really - wow .

I still prefer to take my Cube 60 to certain gigs and use the cab emulated line out to a PA, when there's nice speakers on the house.

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I barely have to EQ a thing and it sounds huge from the beginning.

The sayng of " rules ' still holds out true :

# 1 there are no rules

and

# 2 - Refer to rule one .

I play through a POD>90% of the time.

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Did some sessions with a guy who sat in with one like yours , I was impressed as we would comepare the GNX4 of mine to the POD , it was really a cool experience . We both came away happy with our respective modelers .

I gig with my Vox Valvetronix AD50VT almost exclusively. There's a few times where I pull the Marshall out of the closet and use it at a gig but rare anymore. My backup rig is Amplitube on my iPhone using the newly added Soldano SLO model.

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You can't ignore technology cause if you do you get passed by fast huh .

Good responses so far all thanks for the input .

Hurricane Ramon

 

[Hurricane]

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I have gigged a lot with a VOX Valvetronix.

It's modeling section is all solid state. (Though there is a single 12AX7 that plays a role the power section).

I think it sounds great.

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That unit of yours have was my second choice when I was ready to expand my electric guitars sounds .

The deciding factor that made me choose the Digitech GNX4 over the Valvetronix was they both were priced pretty close to each other and they had terrific sounds too , -


But -

For the same basic money I added a midi drum machine - mp3 player - looper and a stand alone Digital 8 channel ( that could merge tracks to open up more tracks to record ) with a USB and a phantom powered mic input it was a strong argument to choose it over the Valvetronix .When I sol I play songs I recorded with it as my backing tracks , it's a very nice feature for a soloist show .

I can convert a wave file I make with it to mp3 and have 100 songs to choose from to play along with stored on a smart card it holds . I can make 99 custom amp/cab models and then store them to the card and make more on the GNX4 .

Also on the smart card I can store midi drum files ( 99 ) I make and on the fly choose them live ion stage with a foot pedal command stomp !

It out bangered it I guess - I still would buy one like yours cause they are awesome .

Oh nice sound man , cool playing as well .

Easy man :

Hurricane Ramon

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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I find myself using my Digitech 1101 more than my ADA MP1 these days. Can't say for certain how it compares tonally to the "real amps" it's based on, but if it sounds good, it is good.

 

[Hurricane]

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Excerpts :

Do you remember my spine problem thread last year? You gave great suggestions there to find alternative solutions .

You couldn't be more right in the "know your weepon" case in my opinion. All of these were created without using any amp/cab:

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Sure do recall your post , wondered if found something good and hoped it would pop up and pop it did man , cool sounding stuff you posted , your having a ball I bet .

Being a person who " observes " a lot , in regards to seeing beyond the face value of a situation has made me a person who finds new and cool ways to do things , sometimes if not for this approach some things would be impossible to reach and achieve if I did not think

" outside the box "

so's to speak I guess .

Being aware of one's surroundings is a key attitude to have , when your like that you take that curiosity deeper into everything you see and participate in .

When you live this way you find all sorts of solutions that many times seem not to be

" conventional "

at all and sometime these kinds solutions are rebuked and not accepted by others ,

but - - -

Who cares about what other people think when it comes to making personal choices and what you choose in what you like in anything .

Easy man glad your found your way of doing it , I like it .

Hurricane Ramon

 

[Inkstained]

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Solid-state amps, modelers or not, definitely have their place. They're light, cheap and they last forever. Plus, the sounds are getting better and better. For clean headroom, they can't be beat.

A Roland JC-120 is a hall of fame amp, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[drpietrzak]

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I use a Mustang II and POD in several settings.