stoner rock pickup

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I have an ES335 copy and I'm looking to replace the bridge pickup. Currently it's got a TV Jones Classic plus in the bridge. Sounds nice, but man if it had more output, it would be great!- Not really a stoner rock pickup.

What is the highest output pickup I could put into the guitar without getting massive feedback? I've already had every SD "Custom varient in the guitar, a P rails set, DMZ EJ custom and TZ. The TZ so far has been the best- It gave me the most output with minimal feedback but the tone was lackluster in the hollowbody. I want a fire-breather but one that will work in a semi hollow guitar and give me articulation and crazy harmonics as well. What should I try next?
 
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The SLUGhas the output, but not crazy articulation. You might look at the El Diablo, but as far as feedback, that depends on volume, amount of gain, proximity to the amp and how thick the top is on the 335. Do you get feedback now? How was
 
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To avoid feedback with a semi hollow, Ted Nugent used to stuff newspaper in the cavity. Or you turn it down and stand away from the amp and monitors. Or play with the feedback and get it to do your bidding instead of letting it rule your tone. Let's put it this way. Semi hollow guitars with high gain and high volumes equal feedback. Period. Stuffing newspaper only helped Nugent get control over it, not eliminate it.

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Les Paul supposedly stuffed rags in his guitars to control it.

I haven't tried a Slug or Diablo, but those sound like what you are looking for.
 
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I haven't been stoned in 20 years, so no help here.
you should try again. its a wonder drug.

To avoid feedback with a semi hollow, Ted Nugent used to stuff newspaper in the cavity. Or you turn it down and stand away from the amp and monitors. Or play with the feedback and get it to do your bidding instead of letting it rule your tone. Let's put it this way. Semi hollow guitars with high gain and high volumes equal feedback. Period. Stuffing newspaper only helped Nugent get control over it, not eliminate it.

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I wasn't getting feedback with the TZ and was standing right near my amps. So, there's gotta be something to that...

The guitar is an Agile AS1000. I dunnno' how thick the top is.
 
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Custom5 with mucho gain and lows from the amp. Heck, just throw in a fuzz-boost to get some crazy sludge.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtzKSwnM3yw

That Diablo sounds money, I want one. Fat output without being overly compressed like the slug. I also have become a fan of rail poles.

The El Diablo actually is A2 magnets as poles, not just a blade/rail pickup. Not quite the same thing. I'd explect metal blades with conventional A2 magnet arrangement would have a hard time being as hot as that, even if it managed to get overwound to that degree.

Obsessing over clarity, and probably over a not entirely-related aside, rather than a conflation of the two.
 
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I noticed that and was wondering about it. That the el diablo has A2s as the rails themselves. So the normal rails pickups like a cool rails or a dimebucker have a ceramic bar magnet beneath the coils like normal but with non magnetic rails as the poles? What are the rails made of?
 
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I noticed that and was wondering about it. That the el diablo has A2s as the rails themselves. So the normal rails pickups like a cool rails or a dimebucker have a ceramic bar magnet beneath the coils like normal but with non magnetic rails as the poles? What are the rails made of?

Usually one of the more magnetically permeable grades of stainless steel. Thickness of the blade varies pretty wildly, too. Compare a Dimebucker to the L-500XL that inspired it, and then to the single coil-sized dual blade humbuckers...

Whole bunch of interesting variables for coil geometry and inductance, with interactions for tone and output.

For added wackiness, some manufacturers have messed with ceramic magnets underneath/between alnico polepieces. [One of the many Iommi models, IIRC.]


Back to the original topic... Besides attacking via pickups, you could always get a digital feedback eliminator, or a parametric EQ [graphic EQs often cut too wide a band, with unwanted side effects, compared to an adjustable Q parametric set to reduce only as much as is needed] and cut the feedback-prone frequencies. That'd give you more freedom in pickup choices, but at the expense of another signal processing stage. Misconfigured they can kill wanted feedback, though, so there may be a learning curve/trial and error involved.

As far as pickup choice, that's wide open for personal preference. Stoner is usually more about the choice of distortion [fuzz and/or distortion and/or amp distortion] than the pickup. There's a wide gamut from classic PAF-style to all-out metal pickups, plenty of examples of nonstandard choices like P-90s and Filter'Trons, too.

I'd go for a boost and/or a fuzz before giving up on a low output pickup I liked. But if you prefer the feel of a hotter pickup but need to manage feedback, well, then stuff the body with dampening materials [there's much better options than rags or newspaper these days, like a medium or higher density acoustic foam]. If you don't like the tonal impact of that, either you struggle with finding a pickup that deemphasizes just the right frequency, or you use signal processing to remove the unwanted frequency.

Oh, and there's other angles of attack on feedback in a guitar. Vibrato bridge users in particular have long done tricks like scrunchies or foam under the strings at the headstock, though plenty of high volume arena rockers have done it on fixed bridge guitars, too. Same for stiffer pickup mountings [whether it's higher tension springs or cut to height tubing] and foam under the pickups.

Lots of options, all valid.
 
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you should try again. its a wonder drug.

Not until it's legal, I don't purposefully evoke police (oh, they are a f....g magnet)

What, but they just made it legal in Cali ........ not really. You can smoke it, but you can't buy it until next year unless you have a "MMC" which is a fraud and subject to jail time if caught unless it's a licensed medical person, which won't sign off on me.

Did I mention I want to stay as far away from cops as possible? Just checking.

Now, I digress, back to the pup for the perfect tone!
 
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I just love my Stoner Rock.. Has two of my favourite things in one tidy package..
Stoners usually use the pickups that come with the guitar, cos changing them out is too much hassle and too try hard..

The ultimate Stoner Rock pick up for me is the 498T in either the Les Paul or SG..
Heavy, crunchy, distorted and grainy... Perfect..
 
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A lot of the Lace artist models are Stoner Rock oriented.

I tried the lace Brent hinds model and really like them.
 
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I read the title and my first thought...the El Diablo. It's a great, warm-yet-bitey, punchy, crunchy and reasonably articulate pickup. It's similar to the Tone Zone in that it isn't overly bright, but it has more power than the TZ and a nicer, tighter bottom end, in my opinion.

The LACE Brent Hinds Hammerclaw got mentioned. That's another really great pickup. Very versatile and fits the stoner vibe well with its voicing and feel, but not as "hot" as the El Diablo
 
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