Strat Bridge Pickup Location Info (Expiriment)

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This is mostly just sharing some findings about pickup placement--I was considering a pickguard with some sort of variation in the location of the strat bridge pickup, so I did some expirimenting with what I have.

There are articles and info on the web I've found useful as I started experimenting:
http://www.till.com/articles/PickupResponse/
http://archive.ampage.org/threads/6...umbucker_location_very_critical-1.html#335777

I should note that I compared and found some of these measurements close, some virutally the same accurate, and some significantly "off" compared to my own, for whatever reasons unknown to me.

The way I did it is, I measure from the nut - 1/2 the scale length is from the nut to fret 12. I also used metric (mm) since it often helped in precision and ease of understanding. Percentage of scale length is useful in terms of translating measurements to equivalent for standard "Fender" (25.5) and Gibson (24.625/24.75) scale lengths. Since most guitars/people intonate at the bridge/saddle, I measured from the nut and used ideal scale length (instead of actual which varies with string, gague, etc.) to get consistent results. No matter how one intonates, a pickup's distance from the nut/12th fret is typically constant.

My surprise finding - the slanted bridge pickup on a strat, even on the High E, is in a location that is slightly, but notably 'less harmonic' (closer to the fretboard) than the standard(?) location of a "screw" coil of a humbucker.

Very small differences of a few Millimeters really matter in this area and application. since as you get closer to the

For example,
I measured the centerpoint of a particular bridge HSS strat's HB screw coil to be about ~293.5 from the 12th fret (about 95.3% of the idealized scale length)
The center point of This strat's HB slug coil was located ~268mm from the 12th fret. (91.3%...)

On my SSS strat, the center of the angled bridge pickup as located at the HIGH E string was only ~288mm from the 12th fret (94.45%...)
- That is, *it was slightly but notably CLOSER to the 12th fret than a HB screw coil bobbin, even on the high E! This was the #1 surprise for me!*
Same strat, the center of the angled bridge pickup as located at the LOW E string was ~288mm from the 12th fret (93.2%...)

I should note that I used the scale length percentages and compared to my ES-335 style with it's scale and bridge pickup, and the locations were generally similar--if anything, the 335-style was further from the 12th fret than this by percentage.

So with this HSS strat, and maybe most, if you can picture it, the angled strat pickup would sit almost directly in the middle of where the HB is routed on the low E, and about 1/2 way between the mid point and the slug coil of where the HB is routed on the high E string.

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Extra info for those inclined:

I drilled the pickguard a bit to move an installed SC around within the HB route--both straight and angled--with about 5 spots on each side ranging between where the screw coil and slug coil would usually be situated. I certainly found that you can really get notably different feel/sound out of the bridge pickup just within the range of locations within there. We are talking +/- 5mm being significant here, which is a rather small percentage of the scale length making a very noticeable difference.

There's a wide range of usable tones in this pickup window (literally and figuratively). It seemed that that--especially along the far extremes--there were placements that some might go "wow!" that others would say "too far!" with a lot of usable mileage between the extremes.

Interesting, to me, was finding that this seemed to be at LEAST as significant as any pickup change might be--and especially in conjunction.

I also went in thinking that the high string side of the angled strat bridge pickup might benefit from being moved toward the neck, or the pickup being straightened, or even trying a reverse angle. All of those options do sound usable to me, but before and after these expiriements, the stock angle/location went from being something I thought of as definitely meriting a change, to instead gaining a strong appreciation for "stock."

It does occur to me that maybe I'm just used to it where it is and that I am biased--and I do use the tone control liberally on (bright/clear/fat) bridge pickups---but I have FAR less to virtually no GAS to get a new pickguard with a different bridge pickup location compared to before...for now.

However, I also still see other pickup locations as offering fantastic variations/options, and may consider them down the line a bit. I just found that it at least actually works quite well where it is to my ears, now that I've compared some variations!

If anyone else undertakes careful measuring in a similar manner, I'd love to see the differences, be they due to my errors, or due to common variations in tolerances etc.
 
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All pickup placements are a compromise.

For an SSS Stratocaster, the single most useful improvement that I have ever Experienced was reversing the slant of the bridge/treble position pickup. Like this.
Fender_Hendrix_Tribute_Stratocaster_3_Tone_Sunburst_TN709785_1.jpg
 
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All pickup placements are a compromise.

For an SSS Stratocaster, the single most useful improvement that I have ever Experienced was reversing the slant of the bridge/treble position pickup. Like this.
View attachment 57897

Ah yes, the Hendrixian Strat bridge pickup. I am interested to try it myself. I gotta search for a pickguard like that.
 
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Thank God,
I thought I was alone. For me - if you look at the distance of the humbucker in general as it is cut for a strat from most companies, including Fender and Warmoth, the bridge pup is much farther away from the saddles than they are on an SG, L.P., etc, thus losing a lot of treble that it would normally get mounted in a Gibson(who's name we shall not speak). So I ordered a blank white pickgaurd from Warmoth with just screws, switch and vol-tone holes.
I cut a little wood back on my alder strat and using a good template, cut the humbcker as close to the bridge as possible. The humbucker, while obviously being brighter, in a good way, it is now -on the bass side -VERY,VERY,TIGHT!!. And yes, in a good way.
I then kept the middle '69 Fender SC the same on the bass side but angled the treble side up, just like you did with the bridge pickup in the photo above. A little bit more actually. To me, I don't need 2 SC pickups anymore. This angle up middle pickup covers just the right amount of vibrations from the strings to get the best of the middle and the neck, all in one. It is a thing of beauty and I am so proud of it.
The only thing that is a negative is I don't have pro tools so although my cutting of the pickgaurd is correct, it looks ratty. But I don't care. The sound of the humbucker with the "69 SC (in phase) together is like the sound Hendrix got on "May This Be Love". Key word being like, as I would never presume to get a sound as good as Mr. Hendrix got on that cut. (or any other cut, for that matter)
It even gets it's own kind of "quack" sound that is pleasing too. mLavel (Amazon) company makes a strat pickgaurd that has a bridge HB cut closer to the bridge, but it has 2 SC mid and neck cuts. Which is good, but not what I was after. I should mention I always turn the SC pickups that have that old style uneven pole height around 180 degrees, so that the biggest and loudest strings (low E,A) are now over the low poles and I can easily adjust the high E,B,G and D to my liking and balance, making for a great, and "even" sound on a full chord sweep. On my neck strat pups, I have to cut a little wood out under the end of the neck, but it doesn't show as it is under the pickgaurd anyway, so I can turn those around also.
Good job, you guys.
SJ
 
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Interesting assessment, SJ318. I have routinely been wondering to myself as to why the standard 'Gibson' HB bridge pickup is where it is, in percentage of scale length -- in that, to me it seems unnecessarily far from the nut / unnecessarily close to the bridge. I think most other guitars go with that "percentage" location for a bridge HB from a preliminary look at a few (Strat etc), given that scale length varies. That is given that HB screw coil at 616mm from the nut is certainly not the same as with a Gibson (~628mm) scale, as it is with a Fender Scale (~648mm).

Interesting video here by the way, no affiliation: Wilkes Guitar--Movable Pickup(s)

I've also done a lot of math and calculations on the concepts thrown around about 'nodes' and where pickups are placed. It's interesting, to say the least. I've concluded that there aren't any 'wrong' spots, you pick a spot, and it has a tonality, but the idea of 'correct vs. incorrect' location seems to be more about tradition and what were accustomed to in the most popular guitars, not a science of "where pickups should and should not be located."

I got an additional guitar recently -- '86 HSS Ibanez Roadstar, vintage fender type bridge for reference.
The bridge HB is one of the "Super 70's" types (though the '86 Ibanez catalog from that year or thereabouts say they used ceramic mags, not Alnico 8, FWIW).

When I saw it in photos, I thought "that bridge HB seems a bit further from the bridge than usual!
Sure enough, when I got it, I measured it's location, and the pickups screw coil is smack in line with where a bridge single coil pickup would be angled around. That's means on this one, the bridge pickup is ~1.4%, ~9mm or ~1/3 inch further from the bridge than your average strat HB which is calculated in the "gibson" spot. If any of those amounts, sound small, in this area it's significant

For perspective, that means here, the highest strings are even further from the bridge than not only a regular HB, but from a standard SC, and the low strings are further from the average HB but closer to the bridge than a regular HB. I think it's a good spot.

I don't think I particular like the tone of the "Super 70" Pickup, though it seems to be a fine one, just not my style. I do feel like, beyond the tonal qualities, it is much much sweeter than the average HB, while still definitively being a bridge HB sound.

Of course, I like a 2 or 3 SC configuration (noiseless style SCs though), so I'll be changing out the 'guard at some point to a HSS...and the stock one has the Ibanez style where the HB has two adjustment screws on one side so it's not easy to swap other HBs in the bridge just for kicks unless I ruin the original pickguard. In the meantime I can get a SC size pickup in the route, and can angle it because of that though, ugly as that is. =)

However, this all was a noteworthy learning experience for me, and I am feeling like pickup positioning has been a bit of an 'industry standard' thing more or less. I feel like there is a whole range of tones unknown that could be had by pickup location changes that might even be so subtle as to be undetectable, but are actually significant--in some cases, as significant or more significant than a myriad of pickup swaps.

I'm starting to thing that if many pickup swaps later, every pickup just doesn't sound quite right, pickup location might actually be part of it--but it is the variable that is not so often is or even can be explored on some guitars. Strats, especially with 'bathtub' routes, make it very doable. Most of us can't cut our own pick guards from scratch though...
 
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Regarding the placement of the humbucker on the majority of HSS Stratocaster style guitars. It seems to me that, originally, the position was arrived at by reusing the pickup mounting screw hole nearest to the volume knob for one end of the humbucker then drilling a second hole for the other end of it. In the early days of customising, this would have left just one explained hole near the corner of the humbucker, where the original single coil used to be mounted.

My 1996 Bitsacaster has what WD Music used to call their Universal Rout (HSH) body and a matching HH pickguard. On these, the bridge position pickup cavity and 'guard cutout are approximately the width of half a coil closer to the bridge. When coil splitting, it is advisable to go to the coil further from the saddles.
 
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