Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

cato

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i have a '96 YJM Strat with the truss rod nut in the heel. i've had it since '96. i used to use the 9's it was factory set up with. then 8's for many years. when i switched to the 8's i never checked the relief cause it played great with the 8's so i didn't care. then i went to 7's and at that point i checked the relief cause i was sure i'd have to loosen the rod due to the lower tension. with a proper relief check (1st and 21st down) with the 7's the high E was on the frets. i checked the truss nut and it turns out it was fully loose and so not causing any effect on the rod.

so, i thought that was weird cause while with 7's i'd've expected to have to fully loosen the nut due to the very low tension, it made me wonder how it could've been fully loose with the 9's and 8's i had on it previously, cause with 8's on my other strats, i need a bit of tightening on the nut, so when this Strat had 9's, surely it would've had excessive relief if the nut was loose - but i recall it playing fine. admittedly i think prefer a bit more relief than the average guy, but i think with 9's even at E flat, the nut would've needed a bit of tightening.

so, today i went back to 8's from 7's and at E flat, with the nut still fully loose, with a proper relief check, the high E string is on the frets. no relief i guess you'd call it. when i look down the neck it looks nice and straight. no back bow, so i know the neck isn't warped in a back bow, so that's not the explanation for why i have no relief with the nut loose.

anyone think this is normal? that with 8's at E flat and the nut loose, that there's no relief? that the string tension from even 8's doesn't cause any front bow with the nut loose?

i wonder if anyone ever heard of a neck so darn ridged that with 9's the nut could be loose and still there be no front bow, no relief.

i'm tempted to take the 9's or 10's i use for my other guitars and put them on this Strat to see if i can get the neck to front bow..... sheesh!
 
Re: Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

Yes, some necks can be very stiff.

If you like 7's, play 7's. With the truss rod fully loosened, and the neck is straight, just raise the saddles on the bridge to get the strings away from the frets to where you are comfortable playing and there is no fret buzz. In time, the neck may bend slightly. If that happens then tighten the truss rod.
 
Re: Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

The Malmsteen Strat should have a bit of meat to it, and is one-piece maple. And yours should be scalloped, right?

It all sounds fine as long as you can get the strings into a position you like.
 
Re: Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

As long as it went straight, I'd be happy.

Luthiers can "un-stick" necks if it really bugs you; I tried once on a couple back-bent necks of my own (released truss rod and built what I called a "jig" though it was less fancy than that sounds.) Worked great on one, popped the fretboard off on the other and I had to clamp/glue/refinish...
 
Re: Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

Yes, some necks can be very stiff.

If you like 7's, play 7's. With the truss rod fully loosened, and the neck is straight, just raise the saddles on the bridge to get the strings away from the frets to where you are comfortable playing and there is no fret buzz. In time, the neck may bend slightly. If that happens then tighten the truss rod.

yeah i am a variety kinda guy. don't know if others are like this but i enjoy different string gauges on my various guitars. not just for the particular type of music i like to play with that particular guitar, but even if i'm playing the same music, I'll change the gauges on guitar just for the novelty. i use 7's to 11's. my hands and fingers like a change. so yeah, set up all good. just was wondering why the neck doesn't bend with the string tension. i raised the saddles/string height to compensate for the lack of relief, but as you know, it isn't the same. regardless it's fine. amounts to variety. thanks.
 
Re: Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

The Malmsteen Strat should have a bit of meat to it, and is one-piece maple. And yours should be scalloped, right?

It all sounds fine as long as you can get the strings into a position you like.

yeap. scalloped one piece maple. yeah. i've been playing it 20yrs now and it always felt different. good or neutral in the feel. but never bad. but i always attributed it to the 7.25r, since the others are 9.5. but i realize now it's the relief as well. i just never adjusted the rod cause it always played great. funny after all this time i notice i got a ridged neck that won't flex for ben with 9's.
thanks.
 
Re: Strat Truss Rod Question... weird?

As long as it went straight, I'd be happy.

Luthiers can "un-stick" necks if it really bugs you; I tried once on a couple back-bent necks of my own (released truss rod and built what I called a "jig" though it was less fancy than that sounds.) Worked great on one, popped the fretboard off on the other and I had to clamp/glue/refinish...

yeah i'm happy it's stuck straight whatever is going on. but holy crap man, that sounds like some serious advanced luthier work there! so long as mine stays straight I'll avoid having to get a new neck, but i'm not gonna be doing a skunkstripe'ectomy and truss rod transplant on this puppy. one day I'll slap 11's on it and block the trem and see if THAT puts some calypso in the neck!
thanks
 
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