Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

IMO the only thing a strat trumps a Les Paul type guitar on is the "Brothers In Arms" notch tone, or the tone on this which is pretty much the most beautiful guitar tone I've ever heard:

I know the track 'brothers in arms' is actually an LP (possibly with P90's).
martin Barre used a Hamer for the crest of a knave album, but i have no idea of what pickups were used.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

I think that the middle position of a Tele or a 335 smokes both of them...
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

I think that the middle position of a Tele or a 335 smokes both of them...

Ehh. What's with all this love for the middle position? It depends on how you dial it in. Otherwise, with all pots on full, neck has middle beat by far.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

You are all wrong: Charlie Christian's single coil in an archtop wins all clean contests.
Looks like this:
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But for the sake of this argument, LP. Humbuckers just beat wimpy single coils man!
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

I'm really not a fan of clean tones on a Strat, however I'll take clean tones on a Tele over those on a Les Paul any day
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

Well, there are guitars now can give both. Some Music Man models and PRS, as well some others. Not the same as the real thing but I love the comparisons. I love both the Strat and Humbucker sound. HSS, HSH, guitars can give you more versatility if you want close to both sounds.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

I'm listening to some live jeff buckley tracks right now.

Love the songs, love the musicianship, hate the tone. Yes, I know you want to get louder right now, but louder brights is just louder brights! There's no sense of fullness or body except from the bass guitar.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

For single note clean parts, I'll almost always take a Les Paul over a Strat. The notes are just rounder and sit in better. For strumming stuff though, I'll take a Strat any day over a Les Paul. The clarity and jangle you get from single coils just shines on that stuff.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

Ehh. What's with all this love for the middle position? It depends on how you dial it in. Otherwise, with all pots on full, neck has middle beat by far.

What exactly do you mean by that last bit? Beat?

Isn't that all preference?

I could tell you that a Marshall Super Lead beats a JCM800 by far, but that would just be what I prefer.

The middle position just gives a different sound, it's a nice middle (hehehe) ground between the warmth of the neck pickup and the brightness of the bridge. Those extremes can come off as muddy or ice picky when played through a clean amp, the middle position solves that problem, perfect for clean and mildly overdriven stuff
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

I love 'em all. They all have their place, and i celebrate the diversity. I will say that i think it takes many years to be able to get good tones out of a Strat though. MANY years.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

These days I tend to use guitars that take characteristics of both (strat shape body, with humbuckers).
I went through a stage where I thought Super strats where the be end all, but as it happens I've got serious Telecaster GAS now because the clean tones they produce can be utterly gorgeous for the right applications
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

What exactly do you mean by that last bit? Beat?

Isn't that all preference?
The middle position in a les paul sounds very unnatural to me when all the volume and tone pots are on full. Chimey, slightly scooped, with a weird brightness and more narrow focus.



I could tell you that a Marshall Super Lead beats a JCM800 by far, but that would just be what I prefer.

The middle position just gives a different sound, it's a nice middle (hehehe) ground between the warmth of the neck pickup and the brightness of the bridge. Those extremes can come off as muddy or ice picky when played through a clean amp, the middle position solves that problem, perfect for clean and mildly overdriven stuff
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better clean out there than a strat neck. IMO that's what makes a strat so special (I'm not into the notched qack)
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

Both are great. Les Paul for jazz and everything where a warm sound is needed. Strat for that lush neck tone, Sultans of Swing-like notch tones (not Brothers in Arms which is Les Paul all the way, you obviously mixed them since Sultans has that great notch position tone) and the middle position is great for rhythm. Bridge position works sometimes but it gets thin easily, and sometimes that is great (rhythm playing with effects).



Some of my favorite guitarists used Strats: Hendrix, Blackmore, Trower, Healey, Gallagher, Montoya, Clapton (sometimes, there are exceptions), etc. Wonderful tones. But what I hear far too often are the 'bad Strat' clean tones: thin, shrill, empty, tinny, an aluminum 'clunk' kind of sound. Most Strat players don't know how to get decent tones from their guitars. Treble on top of treble. That's what's turned me off. Not the pros, the average knucklehead.

Obviously it's possible for a Strat to sound good clean, as some guys do it exceptionally well, but it takes some effort & know how. Doesn't happen by accident. When I can listen to a song and can tell the guitarist is playing a Strat, that's usually a bad thing. Yes, it's a more unique tone than an LP (which can be hard to tell apart from an SG or 335), but 'unique' not in a good way. Strats stand out as having both some of the best, and (more often) some of the worst tones ever produced by electric guitars. In the average hands they are all too often a source of irritation. I've got CD's where the guitarist has basically ruined otherwise good songs with his clean Strat tones during solos. Nails on a chalkboard. I can't think of instances of this happening with LP's.

Any votes for Strats having a superior clean sound, must come with the qualification that it's only capable by a limited percentage of Strat players. In sheer numbers, more average LP players sound better clean than average Strat players. This can be referred to as 'the dufus factor.' If you can't get your Strat to sound good, get some help or get another guitar. Just stop hurting my ears.

Absolutely. But then again you can't exactly say that violins sound bad because 1st year students can't make them sound good.
 
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Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

The notch middle-bridge position is popular, too, e.g. Mark Knopfler.

To be honest, recorded clean sounds in popular music are usually EQed and compressed to kingdom come. To the point where it almost doesn't matter much what you feed in as long as it has a bloomy sustain (for picking etc.), which both Strats and LPs can excell in, or the right attack for the song at hand.
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

This is a job for Glen Kuykendall! Both start out clean.

Les Paul vs. Strat!

LP:


Strat:
 
Re: Strat vs. Les Paul clean tones.

The Les Paul scored a knockout in the first round, no contest. Really is there anyone that would rather have the Strat than the LP ? Proof positive - the Gibson makes the Fender look silly.
 
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