eschoendorff
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
Use the right tool for the job. That is all.
Use the right tool for the job. That is all.
Stratocasters just don't do metal!
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JohnnyGuitar
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
Can't believe this thread just keeps resurrecting and I can't believe myself for not being able to resist posting in ti every time it does.
Metal is a style of music that depends on a lot of factors while a guitar is only responsible to your tone. If you want to play metal on a Strat, it would sound different than metal with a Jackson but it is still metal. Especially if you have a cookie monster singer and double bass drums. With a loud amp, you can even play a banjo and it would still sound like metal.
But here are the best things that I can say about this statement:
1. So what, metal guitars can't do most things that are not metal.
2. whatever.
Can't believe this thread just keeps resurrecting and I can't believe myself for not being able to resist posting in ti every time it does.
Metal is a style of music that depends on a lot of factors while a guitar is only responsible to your tone. If you want to play metal on a Strat, it would sound different than metal with a Jackson but it is still metal. Especially if you have a cookie monster singer and double bass drums. With a loud amp, you can even play a banjo and it would still sound like metal.
But here are the best things that I can say about this statement:
1. So what, metal guitars can't do most things that are not metal.
2. whatever.
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
Yep. (thanks Brendan!)
But then... I kind of relish playing heavy music with non-prototypical heavy-music guitars. The only humbucker used on the entire new DoB record is a 9.5k Wolfetone Marshallhead. The rest is mostly single coil tele and P-90 SG - even the rhythm tracks. There are some Ric toaster tops and stock strat singles happening too.
I'd say about 95% of the soloing on the record is a stock tele bridge plugged straight into a tube amp turned up all the way.
Point is... you can play whatever you want on whatever you want. Sounding heavy is so much more about PLAYING heavy than about what kind of pickups are in your guitar...
sosomething managed to make a stock Tele kick ass on his latest record and it's REAL heavy.
Yep. (thanks Brendan!)
But then... I kind of relish playing heavy music with non-prototypical heavy-music guitars. The only humbucker used on the entire new DoB record is a 9.5k Wolfetone Marshallhead. The rest is mostly single coil tele and P-90 SG - even the rhythm tracks. There are some Ric toaster tops and stock strat singles happening too.
I'd say about 95% of the soloing on the record is a stock tele bridge plugged straight into a tube amp turned up all the way.
Point is... you can play whatever you want on whatever you want. Sounding heavy is so much more about PLAYING heavy than about what kind of pickups are in your guitar...
Elfunkenstein
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
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Elfunkenstein
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
also, further proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCK7oHgmv7M
and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiPsSgEE7ME
also, further proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCK7oHgmv7M
and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiPsSgEE7ME
Diocletian
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
Not disagreeing with your sentiments, but none of those songs or bands are metal.
Not disagreeing with your sentiments, but none of those songs or bands are metal.
jcthejester13
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
Can't power chords be played on any guitar? The end.
Can't power chords be played on any guitar? The end.
Guitar-Sam
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
If your trying to copy the same ole same ole,then no strats are not really metal guitars.But if you wanna have your own metal tone.Then hell yea,to me while much cleaner I think Blackmore's Man on the Silver Mountain tone is much more attitudy and distinctive than any of these generic modern metal tone's.
If your trying to copy the same ole same ole,then no strats are not really metal guitars.But if you wanna have your own metal tone.Then hell yea,to me while much cleaner I think Blackmore's Man on the Silver Mountain tone is much more attitudy and distinctive than any of these generic modern metal tone's.
guitfiddle
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
ZOMG, I'm glad someone finally said it...guitar tone is only one small part of the overall heaviness of a band. Much more relies on the band all going for the heavy sound together than what guitar is being played.
Kudos, Adam. :friday:
ZOMG, I'm glad someone finally said it...guitar tone is only one small part of the overall heaviness of a band. Much more relies on the band all going for the heavy sound together than what guitar is being played.
Kudos, Adam. :friday:
Stef
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjXvTfVu_8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gi-swbyqtM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjXvTfVu_8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gi-swbyqtM&feature=related
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The Drama Dude
Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
I still maintain that a Strat with humbuckers is not really a strat.
It's only a strat if it's a true S/S/S
and that sounds godawful for metal. it's shrill, noisy, thin and has no real beefy low end power.
case in point: my 62 RI strat.
it used to be S/S/S. I didn't like it. Tried to put a Dimarzio Fast Track 2 in the bridge. Despite it being a high output single coil sized humbucker, it still had no beef, little power, and still sounded kinda shrill. The only upside was that it could handle high gain a lot better than the stock singles.
Then i got sick of it being a strat. So I hacked up the body, hacked up the pickguard and installed a true humbucker in there. OMG, instant change! Beef, power, chunk, crunch! There is something about a high output humbucker that makes it uniquely suited to metal. It is a more full bodied sound. It is quieter. It is also louder (as in more output) and when well defined, has much less of a midrange honk than the typical strat single coils do.
the strat is just a guitar. aside from the electronics, it's not much different from a charvel super strat. both bolt on, both similar woods, both practically the same guitar. What sets them apart is their electronics. Seth Lover had no idea at the time, but those humbuckers he made back in the 50s were laying the foundation for metalheads 30 years before they even existed.
to sum up, Strats can definitely play metal. as long as they don't have Strat electronics.
I still maintain that a Strat with humbuckers is not really a strat.
It's only a strat if it's a true S/S/S
and that sounds godawful for metal. it's shrill, noisy, thin and has no real beefy low end power.
case in point: my 62 RI strat.
it used to be S/S/S. I didn't like it. Tried to put a Dimarzio Fast Track 2 in the bridge. Despite it being a high output single coil sized humbucker, it still had no beef, little power, and still sounded kinda shrill. The only upside was that it could handle high gain a lot better than the stock singles.
Then i got sick of it being a strat. So I hacked up the body, hacked up the pickguard and installed a true humbucker in there. OMG, instant change! Beef, power, chunk, crunch! There is something about a high output humbucker that makes it uniquely suited to metal. It is a more full bodied sound. It is quieter. It is also louder (as in more output) and when well defined, has much less of a midrange honk than the typical strat single coils do.
the strat is just a guitar. aside from the electronics, it's not much different from a charvel super strat. both bolt on, both similar woods, both practically the same guitar. What sets them apart is their electronics. Seth Lover had no idea at the time, but those humbuckers he made back in the 50s were laying the foundation for metalheads 30 years before they even existed.
to sum up, Strats can definitely play metal. as long as they don't have Strat electronics.
Gingrel
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Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
Would you judge an entire class of guitar solely by one example? If one Les Paul that you played sounded bad, would you sum up that all LP's were bad??
Would you judge an entire class of guitar solely by one example? If one Les Paul that you played sounded bad, would you sum up that all LP's were bad??
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The Drama Dude
Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
btw, when I say metal, I mean ungodly amounts of gain. HEAVY sh!t. Not plexi distortion, not a fuzz face. I mean JCM800 on nuclear irradiated steroids, Peavey 5150 cranked, mesa rectos with gobs of earth-shaking gain.
If you try doing that with a barebones stock S/S/S strat straight into an amp with no noise gate or any fancy schmancy tricks, you will sh!t your pants because of how terrible it sounds.
ie not Led Zep, or Deep Purple, or Yngwie, or Jimi Hendrix. If those guys are metal then I'm the King of England and I've come back from the dead to take over the world, and then begin taking over other planets in the first incarnation of the Glorious British Space Empire.
btw, when I say metal, I mean ungodly amounts of gain. HEAVY sh!t. Not plexi distortion, not a fuzz face. I mean JCM800 on nuclear irradiated steroids, Peavey 5150 cranked, mesa rectos with gobs of earth-shaking gain.
If you try doing that with a barebones stock S/S/S strat straight into an amp with no noise gate or any fancy schmancy tricks, you will sh!t your pants because of how terrible it sounds.
ie not Led Zep, or Deep Purple, or Yngwie, or Jimi Hendrix. If those guys are metal then I'm the King of England and I've come back from the dead to take over the world, and then begin taking over other planets in the first incarnation of the Glorious British Space Empire.
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The Drama Dude
Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
I dunno, I never liked LPs. They feel funny to play.
I'm not judging an entire class of guitar. I'm judging the electronics that typify a Strat. I cannot in good conscience look at an HSS or an HH strat and say "yeah that's a pure, authentic strat" because it just simply isn't.
I dunno, I never liked LPs. They feel funny to play.
I'm not judging an entire class of guitar. I'm judging the electronics that typify a Strat. I cannot in good conscience look at an HSS or an HH strat and say "yeah that's a pure, authentic strat" because it just simply isn't.
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Stratocasters just don't do metal!
There are some pretty serious gaps in your frames of reference concerning both metal and heavy guitar tones in general.
Not hatin', just sayin'.
There are some pretty serious gaps in your frames of reference concerning both metal and heavy guitar tones in general.
Not hatin', just sayin'.
J
