String gauge vs tone & sustain

Ball&Chain

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Lately, I’ve been going back and forth between 2 different string gauges on my Jackson DK2. Both sets are GHS Boomers and set 1 is 10-46 and set 2 is 11-50. I tune my guitar down a step to D standard. I used to tune down a half a step which is why I started out with 10’s to begin with. Obviously this creates less string tension and bending + vibrato become much easier though not necessarily easier to control.

I decided with the slack tension I should swap out the 10’s for a set of 11’s. I figured with what I thought would be prevailing wisdom, that while making the bends a little harder it would benefit by increasing sustain and improving tone.

After a few months of string changes and going back and forth between 2 gauge sets I’ve come to the conclusion on a few points of interest and most of it surprises me a little.

1. The thicker strings seem to have an adverse effect on tone. The difference is clearly noticeable in favor of the 10’s set. It’s not even close.
2. The sustain is also easily in favor of the 10’s and again its not even close. Fretted, bent and open notes on the 10 set seem to last forever while the 11’s set the notes just die prematurely.
3. Harmonics are much better on the 10s set. Both natural and artificial. The guitar with 10’s tends to want to scream. Ill even hit artificial harmonics accidentally without trying.
4. This is where the 11’s have a clear advantage and right now it’s the only advantage I can think of. The thicker strings plus higher tension make fast alternate picking much more accurate. On 10’s the strings have a tendency to move a bit side to side as the pick glides over making the picking motion wider, while the 11’s seem to stand ground better making for a much tighter picking range of motion. I also have a feeling that this would benefit sweep picking, but I do very little of that if any.

One of the first things I though of that could be effecting this is guitar set up. I thought higher action would help on the 11’s as well. I was having some difficulty with the nut binding the string on either gauge set for the G, B& high E strings, so I took the guitar to a tech thinking Id upgrade the nut to a graphite one. He looked it over and told me the nut on it was graphite (I kinda assumed it was plastic) but it wasn’t cut right, creating the tuning issues. So, he kept the guitar, fixed the nut and did a complete setup on it.

When I got the guitar back, the nut issues were gone and sure enough the action as I expected was set noticeably higher than I usually have it. I haven’t changed anything in the month or so I’ve had the guitar back, but the performance is really no different. The guitar just stays in tune much better now. That’s pretty much it.

Now I either need to decide what points are most important and settle on a gauge or maybe try a set that’s thicker on the bass and thinner on treble or possibly even vice versa. All points are vital really, so it’s probably going to lend some more experimentation.
 
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all my favorite players used 9's... I've never understood why guys beat up their hands with huge cables, but if they like it...
 
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that's strange, because i never felt my guitar sounded so good before i set up a set of 12-56.
 
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I use 11's on all electrics tuned to pitch & 13's on all acoustics. I have never had any hand problems of any kind. My hands never hurt and my calluses never get torn up. I elected to do this because I was having issues keeping my guitar in tune and going from acoustic to electric I was struggling some. The tension between the 11,s & 13's are significant, but I am hardly ever playing acoustics where I need to do aggressive bending. In the long run this has made my hands stronger & I feel I get mush better tone. This is what works for me this is not to say this is what ALL others should do. String gauge is as personal a choice as the guitars that we put them on. Some guys can get awesome tone out of very light strings (Billy Gibbons uses 8's) While others get the sound and feel they want with a heavier gauge (SRV used 13's)
 
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Some guys can get awesome tone out of very light strings (Billy Gibbons uses 8's) While others get the sound and feel they want with a heavier gauge (SRV used 13's)

One thing about that is BFG is known for using LPs, while SRV used primarily strats. I recently switched from 11s to 9s on my Les Paul, and I'm noticing that I'm not having to worry about muddled tone as much.
If you have a bright guitar, thick strings can help it grow a pair, but if your guitar has darker tonality, thinner strings can help achieve balance.
 
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I'm also pretty torn about string gauges myself. I've found that in E, my ideal set is 10-50. I have a really heavy pick hand so this keeps the high strings in the perfect balance between flexibility and stability when alternate picking especially. Also the low strings are just heavy enough that my right hand doesn't knock them out of tune, and I can bend them easily enough.

Right now my Schecter is in C standard and I'm rocking a set of Ernie Ball Not Even Slinkies, at 12-16-18w-32-44-56, and the tension is just a little bit less, but it still feels great. Especially with the looser sets I find artificial harmonics to be easier.

This has been posted here before, but check out Zachary Guitars and the stuff Alex has to say about string tension. He's kind of a d!ck about a lot of it but I've found I agree with a lot of what he says.

Overall, I think string gauge can make a pretty big difference in terms of clarity, but then again I thought the set of Ernie Balls I bought sounded dull and not quite as clear as the D'Addarios of the same gauge I had before. So of course, YMMV.
 
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I've always been of the opinion that sustain and tone are more derived from the way you strike and keep the note than the strings, but for all intents and purposes, I use 9s, because they allow me to manhandle my strings as much as I want when I do those slow bends.
 
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I believe it is all about experimenting for the great cause. Yes the TONE QUEST.
Alex Skolnick is using 13s in his Heritage LPs. I think at some point we all need to try different gauges and see.
 
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This has been posted here before, but check out Zachary Guitars and the stuff Alex has to say about string tension. He's kind of a d!ck about a lot of it but I've found I agree with a lot of what he says.

(emphasis mine)

Uderstatement of the century. He's got some awesome looking products on that website, but because of his attitude, I'd never do business with him. The focus on that pages seemed to be less on explaining how and why his string products are better than others, and more on making sure you know just how stupid and wrong you are and just how awesome and right he is, and subsequently beat you over the head with that. For a moment, I thought I was reading the guitar version of Time Cube. **** that noise.

FWIW, a desire to preserve a similar feel to 9s at E standard when tuned to Drop C and the subsequent Internet searches lead to the 10,14,18,26,36,56 set I use now, which employs the same progressive tension idea that Alex does. But the folks on JEMsite were a lot cooler when discussing the idea than Alex is.
 
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I'm set on 10's for my epi LP. I just get a thicker lead tone with them and I feel like it works great. Epi's don't have crappy tuners but they're not the best and this stays in tune better with 10's.

The strat is hard to bend on with 10's. Not sure if I might wanna switch down to 9's The tone itself is fine tho so I'm not really sure if I wanna mess with what I like! The strat is a bit more like a rhythm guitar for me right now anyhow.
 
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Lately, I’ve been going back and forth between 2 different string gauges on my Jackson DK2. Both sets are GHS Boomers and set 1 is 10-46 and set 2 is 11-50. I tune my guitar down a step to D standard. I used to tune down a half a step which is why I started out with 10’s to begin with. Obviously this creates less string tension and bending + vibrato become much easier though not necessarily easier to control.

I decided with the slack tension I should swap out the 10’s for a set of 11’s. I figured with what I thought would be prevailing wisdom, that while making the bends a little harder it would benefit by increasing sustain and improving tone.

After a few months of string changes and going back and forth between 2 gauge sets I’ve come to the conclusion on a few points of interest and most of it surprises me a little.

1. The thicker strings seem to have an adverse effect on tone. The difference is clearly noticeable in favor of the 10’s set. It’s not even close.
2. The sustain is also easily in favor of the 10’s and again its not even close. Fretted, bent and open notes on the 10 set seem to last forever while the 11’s set the notes just die prematurely.
3. Harmonics are much better on the 10s set. Both natural and artificial. The guitar with 10’s tends to want to scream. Ill even hit artificial harmonics accidentally without trying.
4. This is where the 11’s have a clear advantage and right now it’s the only advantage I can think of. The thicker strings plus higher tension make fast alternate picking much more accurate. On 10’s the strings have a tendency to move a bit side to side as the pick glides over making the picking motion wider, while the 11’s seem to stand ground better making for a much tighter picking range of motion. I also have a feeling that this would benefit sweep picking, but I do very little of that if any.

One of the first things I though of that could be effecting this is guitar set up. I thought higher action would help on the 11’s as well. I was having some difficulty with the nut binding the string on either gauge set for the G, B& high E strings, so I took the guitar to a tech thinking Id upgrade the nut to a graphite one. He looked it over and told me the nut on it was graphite (I kinda assumed it was plastic) but it wasn’t cut right, creating the tuning issues. So, he kept the guitar, fixed the nut and did a complete setup on it.

When I got the guitar back, the nut issues were gone and sure enough the action as I expected was set noticeably higher than I usually have it. I haven’t changed anything in the month or so I’ve had the guitar back, but the performance is really no different. The guitar just stays in tune much better now. That’s pretty much it.

Now I either need to decide what points are most important and settle on a gauge or maybe try a set that’s thicker on the bass and thinner on treble or possibly even vice versa. All points are vital really, so it’s probably going to lend some more experimentation.

Did you figure all this with recordings?

I find that thicker strings "feel like sounding better" when playing but that when recorded very little of it arrives. 009-046 and 010-052 are very hard to tell. Note that the 009-046 set has bass string from a normal 010 set, I don't play anything lighter.

As long as you don't play so hard that the bass strings lose tuning for a fraction of a second, you must have strings thick enough to hold again however hard you strike them.

The discant strings from really thin sets sound noticeably more brilliant, though.
 
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years back i used to be able to buy d'addario strings out of the local music stores bargin box. I would buy 2 sets of strings for a buck each a set of 9s and a set of 10s. Id take the high E, B and G strings from the 10's and pair those with the D, A and Low E from the 9s.

I think im going to try something along those lines again. No bargain box anymore though. :crying:
 
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Did you figure all this with recordings?

I find that thicker strings "feel like sounding better" when playing but that when recorded very little of it arrives. 009-046 and 010-052 are very hard to tell. Note that the 009-046 set has bass string from a normal 010 set, I don't play anything lighter.

As long as you don't play so hard that the bass strings lose tuning for a fraction of a second, you must have strings thick enough to hold again however hard you strike them.

The discant strings from really thin sets sound noticeably more brilliant, though.


Actually, yea I was basing my opinion on some recordings as well as overall what I hear while playing.

I think alot of it at least tone wise is im able to attack the guitar more aggressively and win with a set of 10's where 11's kinda seem to beat me back again. I think I just sound more like me when I can be comfortably aggressive.
 
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Actually, yea I was basing my opinion on some recordings as well as overall what I hear while playing.

I think alot of it at least tone wise is im able to attack the guitar more aggressively and win with a set of 10's where 11's kinda seem to beat me back again. I think I just sound more like me when I can be comfortably aggressive.

Exactly.

I upgrade the thickness of the bass strings until they are "stable" for how I play. Then I stop because there's no real return for most uses. It's also the reason why I use lighter top and heavyer bottom strings.

I will still try Strat and Tele with a thick set with wound G strings. But these would be special purpose runs and/or I just want to see what they have been intended to be in the first place.
 
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I've always been of the opinion that sustain and tone are more derived from the way you strike and keep the note than the strings, but for all intents and purposes, I use 9s, because they allow me to manhandle my strings as much as I want when I do those slow bends.

+1. 9's all the way baby; completely obidient and move when & where I want them to. No 'fighting back.' Gotta have that for those wild Peter Green and Jimmy Page bends.
 
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9's rule the standard tuned world

but they suck it up when tuning straight B ha ha 11-54 or the likes to increase your attack.
 
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