Sycamore as a body wood?

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From the tonewood data source database (mostly opinions reflect use as acoustic woods but sometimes it can be applicable to electric too, if you factor in the geometry of a body and how that might change things compared to a thin acoustic back/top)

Sycamore Plantanus occidentalis
Quartered sycamore displays a prominent lace. The heartwood usually displays straight, even textured fine grain which is pale reddish brown. When quarter sawn, possesses a distinctive fleck figure. It has good workability but may bind on saws and may display high shrinkage with warping tendency. Air drying takes long….and it is very stable in service once dry. There is much volumetric shrinkage and quartersawn is the most stable. As a tonewood, it is moderately easy to work with and produces a striking guitar.

The sapwood of Sycamore is white to light yellow, while the heartwood is light to dark brown. It is classified as moderate in weight, hardness, stiffness, shock resistance, strength in bending, endwise compression and nail holding ability. It has a close texture, glues well and resists splitting due to interlocked grain. It holds its shape well after steaming and machines well, but requires high speed cutter heads to prevent chipping. It shrinks moderately in drying and is inclined to warp when flat sawn. It is odorless, stain free and tasteless. It has a close texture, glues well and resists splitting due to interlocked grain. It holds its shape well after steaming and machines well, but requires high speed cutter heads to prevent chipping.

Rick Davis of Running Dog guitars says: ”In density, stiffness and hardness, is closer to mahogany than to the maples. It can be as soft as cardboard, floppy and generally a terrible wood for anything other than pulp. Some trees seem to produce harder, denser wood and that’s the stuff for guitars. It may be somewhat tighter-grained, but grain alone isn’t indicative of the better wood. I can only say that I weigh each board (by hefting it, not quantitatively), knock on it, push a fingernail into the surface — generally get a feeling for the individual piece before purchasing it for guitars.”

“Quartersawing is essential for the sycamore look: the rays and fleck only show up when the wood’s pretty well quartered. Some is reddish in color and, in limited experience, seems to be very dense and stiff. But the light colored wood can be equally stiff, too. Or not. Individual pieces have to be evaluated. It’s pretty easy to work. Sands and scrapes cleanly, bends well, is easy on edge tools. It is porous though so use excess glue and expect to add an extra coat or two of lacquer. I found that rewashing it was OK but it’s fibrous and tends to clog the lower guides.”

This wood is somewhere between mahogany and maple- good clean overtones like maple but with that punch and elasticity of mahogany.

Rick Davis again: “Tonally I liken it to good mahogany: it’s more clean, trebly, and melodic than dark and complex. Projection is OK. The softer sycamore does not produce much volume and gets muddy; I avoid it. As with mahogany, I like to use it with Engelmann or European spruce rather than the denser spruces. I don’t think sycamore’s lightness of tone would couple well with, i.e., red spruce’s bassiness or with cedar’s or redwood’s darkness”.

Janka rating is 770, no CITES listing. Specific gravity is 0.46
 
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I have an old Aria made from sycamore. Seems like it was basswood before basswood.
 
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I thought sycamore was a very oily wood and not particularly suited to making guitars (or at least getting a good glossy finish).
 
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Suckamore.

There are a number of reasons to generally not make guitars from it. Hell - I don't like it as firewood.
 
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I prefer this version:

 
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I can tell you what i know primarily as as a british cabinet maker/wood nerd and less as a guitar player.

European Sycamore (Acer Pseudoplatanus) is a type of maple. Very closely related to American maples. It isn't a hard, or as heavy, but shares its machining and gluing properties. Is assume that it would have a mellower tone due to the softer nature.

I don't know much about American Sycamore which is a Plane tree. European plane Platanus Orientalis/hybrida is mainly used for veneers where the quarter sawn timber exhibits a fantastic lacewood figure. Knives need to be sharp on machinery for this timber.

(In the UK, Plane is known as London Plane. They are extensive in London, in parks and lining roads and avenues. This is due to their tolerance to pollution. There's loads of them here in Norwich, that have been grown into great wine glass shapes.

I've seen them heavily pollarded in Italy making shaded canopies to walk under.

I digress though. Not sure about their properties for guitar making.
 
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^ At least now we know it's really a kind of wood instead of just a mythical tree that prolifically makes its way into song lyrics.
 
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Sycamore (wether it's the maple-like or the plane variety) makes excellent guitars. Tried several versions of it (as a top, back or neck) and sycamore is simply a nice wood. I don't understand why Aceman has such gripes with it. :( But... I like it and love to use it.
 
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i made a guitar with a sycamore top and its purdy. ill take a pic later
 
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