Talk me down, brothers!

Rich_S

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Background
I designed and built my first pedalboard in the early '80s, before we could buy them. Isolated multi-output pedal power supplies were unheard of. But I liked the idea of a pedalboard as a single unit, so I built one. The pedals were mounted to a common aluminum plate, that served as the ground point for both the audio and the DIY 9-volt power supply. Power and audio wiring were soldered onto the backs of the jacks, and ran through grommets in the top plate, so that all the wiring was hidden underneath the deck; there were no patch cords.

My first board looked like this:

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Nobody had anything like it, except for Gilmore and Summers and a few other professional clients of Pete Cornish. Everybody I knew was still using a couple of pedals on the floor with a tangle of cables and 9-volt battereies of questionable condition.

It evolved over the years, I got a better enclosure, pedals came and went, and when I stopped playing in the late '80s still nobody had anything like it.

Then I took 15 years off to build a career, get maried, have kids, blah, blah, blah. While I was away, everybody went through the rack thing, decided racks sucked, and developed pedalboards and power supplies you can buy at GC, not to mention the whole booteek pedals thing. Now everybody has a pedalboard, although theirs have patch chords and mine still doesn't.


To be continued...
 
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Where I'm At

When I got back into playing, I stuck with the same concept, but it's grown. I added a riser at the back, so now my little 12" x 18" board holds eight pedals instead of four or five. Here'e the latest incarnation:

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I've experimented a lot over the last few years. Gave up the Boss GE-7 I used to use for a solo boost (overdriving a JCM800) and got into dirt boxes. Modded some Boss pedals, cloned few booteek pedals, bought and sold and swapped until I settled on two I really like, the Exotic BB Preamp for semi-dirty boost, and the Allums DS-1 Recto Mod for over-the-top distortion. For modulation, I'm using the same stuff I used back in te '80s, the CE-2 and the BF-2, and I added a TR-2 and the Phase 90. I've put a lot of time and thought into the pedals I have, and they cover my "thing" pretty well. Heck, they ARE "my thing".

It would be nice to have some more flavors of delay, and tap tempo, too. Sometimes I wish I had some other special-purpose pedals, just icing on the cake, but I don't have the room, and don't want to spend the bread on pedals I'll only use occasionally. So, as I posted a few months back, I was ready to just settle in with what I have, spend more time playing, and be happy with it.

But I got bit in the ass. My old-technology DIY board, with its common ground and non-isolated power supply has developed at least one ground loop. It seems that the concept worked okay for a few pedals, but now that it's up to eight, the noise is obvious. It's not too bad for live use, barely audible unless one of the dirt boxes is on. I really have to remember to kill the BB and the DS-1 when I'm not playing, though.

It's too noisy for recording. I would never take this pedalboard into a studio, it's just unacceptably noisy in this day and age.

To be further continued...
 
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Where I'm Going (I Don't Know)

So, I've been looking around at ways to fix the problems. First up, I'd love to replace both DD-3s with a TC Nova Delay. It gives me a bunch of different delay types, tap tempo, and plenty of presets, AND I figured out I can fit it on the board.

Next, the ground loops: I figured I'd replace the aluminum top with masonite to break the common ground, use normal patch cords like everybody else, and buy a modern power supply like the Voodoo Pedal Power 2+. It would less like "my" pedalboard and more like everyone else's, but at least it would be quiet.

Then things went horribly wrong. While I was browsing for info on the Nova Delay, I noticed the Nova System. I knew it existed before, but it was never really on my radar. After all, I had my "thing" covered with my one-of-a-kind pedalboard, and I was happy with it. Right?

Right?

I made the mistake of adding up the few simple changes I want to make to my board. Nova Delay, Pedal Power 2+, a set of patch cables (forget the labor). Oh, yeah... I need to change the tuner to make the layout work. Adding all that up, I'm going to spend $500.

$500!!!

Just to kill the mildly-annoying ground loops and add a tap tempo switch.

Compounding my mistake, I figured out how much the seemingly-expensive Nova System would cost me. It streets for $500, but if I bought one, I would end up selling off all my pedals. The Nova System would give me everything I have now, plus all the delay options I want, plus all those extra goodies that I sometimes wish I had, but would never spend the cash for. AND my ground loops wold be gone.

If I went that route; disassembled my board, sold off my stomp boxes, bought the Nova, as near as I can figure, my out-of-pocket would be less than a hundred bucks. It doesn't make any sense that the low-tech, incremental change will cost me $500 while the high-tech, major shift only costs $100, but there it is.

I think I would like the Nova. I respect TC as a company. Modulation is my main thang, and they excel at modulation. The dirt section on the Nova is analog, so I wouldn't be compromising the dirt tones with digital modeling. Can I dial in overdrive and distortion sounds on the Nova that I like as much as my BB and Recto mod? Maybe? Probably? I also like the Nova's feature set: it concentrates on effects, intended to drive a normal amp. It doesn't have amp modeling like some many (most?) of the other multi-effects out there.

But I'd really hate to say goodby to my funky DIY pedalboard - it has defined my guitar playing for so long. I've always been the guy who built his own cool gear and got great sounds out of it.

On the other hand, I'm tired of dickin' around with DIY. Changes are time-consuming, and detract in a big way from my actually playing the guitar.

Or, Option 3 is, I suppose, simply leave it as-is, deal with the noise, get by without tap-tempo, stop lusting after those special icing-on-the-cake effects. That's certainly the low-cost solution, $0.

I know it's just gear and not really that important, but this is a major shake-up for me. What to do, what to do?
 
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I don't know if this will help, but maybe you can find someone (Lazarus1140) willing to make you a good deal on a Nova Delay so you could stick with the most expensive option. It's what we pedal freaks are destined to do.
 
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I'd say you should spend the $500 on the Nova Delay, cables, and the PPII+. That way, you're done with the DIY factor, but you still have easily tweakable effects.

I like the idea of a Nova system, I really do, but I love being able to tweak my effects by just turning a knob or two. I mean, it's practically idiot-proof. Not sure if I'd get that with the TC.
 
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I am all about buzz and knobs and cherishing the sonic past. I love getting hum and noise on recordings, it reminds me of the reason I played electric in the first place. My kind of music is not polite, the sonic heroes of my childhood were flat out rude. The perfectly clean sonic presentation that is modern music does not inspire me. I love that pedal board, and the story behind it... 12 years ago all I had were multiple channel amps, FX loops, rack mounts, I would no longer even know how to make that stuff work.... I dumbed my sonic self down and as a result found a musical freedom that was quite liberating...
 
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Kevlar: Now you're all about multiple amps. lol

I love your faux-8mm demos, they pretty much define your sonic bag. I've been thinking lately that I need a loud-and-clean alternative to my always-crunchy-and-squishy 13 Watter. The obvious choice is a Twin or a Super, but you've got me thinking "bargain basement behemoth".

Jeremy: Not yet. I hope to try one next time I'm passin' through the big city. I stopped by what I believe is your old store the other day, on my way back to Hannawa Falls from a meeting in Boston.

I'm confident I'll like TC's modulation effects, but the analog overdrive/distortion section could go either way. I like the concept, digital ODs just don't sound and feel "right", nor do they react to upstream boost correctly. I would think TC's design works pretty well, but whether it can be twaeked to sound as good as my existing pedals remains to be seen.
 
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I am all about buzz and knobs and cherishing the sonic past. I love getting hum and noise on recordings, it reminds me of the reason I played electric in the first place. My kind of music is not polite, the sonic heroes of my childhood were flat out rude. The perfectly clean sonic presentation that is modern music does not inspire me. I love that pedal board, and the story behind it... 12 years ago all I had were multiple channel amps, FX loops, rack mounts, I would no longer even know how to make that stuff work.... I dumbed my sonic self down and as a result found a musical freedom that was quite liberating...

Sig worthy.



Rich, love that old board. What happened to that old MXR analog delay?
 
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I've not experienced the nova system but I have had experience with other TC gear. None of it was the most intuitive stuff to operate and the parameter knobs sometimes take a while to "wake up". The stomp switches aren't as robust as they could be. Proceed with caution.
 
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i think you'll LOVE ALL the modulation effects...but i'm not sure you'll be happy with the OD sounds...but you never know!?

definitely try it out!
 
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Rich, love that old board. What happened to that old MXR analog delay?

I sold it as soon as Boss came out with the DM-2, the first compact, 9-volt powered delay pedal. The MXR took up too much space, and I needed to add a GE-7 for boost. So it began...
 
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I'm not sure I'd go for the Nova system.. From what I can see is that many digital effects (multifx in particular) decline much faster in value than the analog stuff due to improved algorithms and features (I sold my AxeFX right before they announced the AxeFX 2, lucky me).. So I'm guessing the Nova system will depreciate very much in value... How about fitting a new power supply into your DIY pedalboard and buying a used Nova delay?
 
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Not yet. I hope to try one next time I'm passin' through the big city. I stopped by what I believe is your old store the other day, on my way back to Hannawa Falls from a meeting in Boston.

those bastards took down my picture! i mean it has been like six+ years since i worked there but come on!!! i was the ****in prince!
 
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