Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
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Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
You guys would piss on a lot of the gear Page used o do Zepplin recordings. So BAH on your issues with Modeling.
Your ears can't tell on the recording and no one in the audience cares (or can tell either).
If it sounds good, it is good. You are making the judgement on the idea - not the sound. And there are plenty of great modeled/FX'd sounds out there. I bet some of you would crap yourselves to find out band X was actually running into a MacBook Pro instead of that stack on-stage. But you went home and RAVED about the sound!
Fu Manchu? Since when did they become a "big" band?
You guys would piss on a lot of the gear Page used o do Zepplin recordings. So BAH on your issues with Modeling.
Your ears can't tell on the recording and no one in the audience cares (or can tell either).
If it sounds good, it is good. You are making the judgement on the idea - not the sound. And there are plenty of great modeled/FX'd sounds out there. I bet some of you would crap yourselves to find out band X was actually running into a MacBook Pro instead of that stack on-stage. But you went home and RAVED about the sound!
Fu Manchu? Since when did they become a "big" band?
cronnin
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
He he, you think? Ok, let me give you more Marshalls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbuay4QdfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oex5rt_U-Jc
Find me just one with Line6
HeheheDude he changed gear more than I change my socks.
He he, you think? Ok, let me give you more Marshalls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbuay4QdfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oex5rt_U-Jc
Find me just one with Line6
thespricket
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
yes, but not as practically as having individual pedals. also, I'm a big fan of parring different dirt pedals that organically respond to one another. I don't think any modeler or digital processor can truly emulate the sound I get from combing my fuzz pedal with my overdrive pedal over top of the clean sound from my amp. thats organic. of course you can get some really great tones from the models that line 6 offers, I'm not trying to say they suck or anything. I just really like using individual pedals.
yes, but not as practically as having individual pedals. also, I'm a big fan of parring different dirt pedals that organically respond to one another. I don't think any modeler or digital processor can truly emulate the sound I get from combing my fuzz pedal with my overdrive pedal over top of the clean sound from my amp. thats organic. of course you can get some really great tones from the models that line 6 offers, I'm not trying to say they suck or anything. I just really like using individual pedals.
eschoendorff
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
Uh, Okay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U-Go1cPxA
The reason that he doesn't use the Line 6 anymore is that they weren't reliable on the road. End of story. Dave explains this here at 3:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-F-YpbAhM&feature=channel
He he, you think? Ok, let me give you more Marshalls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbuay4QdfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oex5rt_U-Jc
Find me just one with Line6
Uh, Okay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U-Go1cPxA
The reason that he doesn't use the Line 6 anymore is that they weren't reliable on the road. End of story. Dave explains this here at 3:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-F-YpbAhM&feature=channel
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cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
Yes, I think so. He only used Line6 during United Abominations album. He has always been a Marshal user but he switched back and forth a lot. Especially when recording. He is known to use cae3, bogner fish, prophesy, digitech preamps, VHT power amps.
I agree he is huge fan of marshalls but he tried a lot of other stuff out there.
Very good points Ace. Spoken like a true philosopher.
And without hijacking the thread any further, for Dali's questions; Line 6 M9 and M13 are a very good stomp box modelers. Here is a very good M9 demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlHz1kOFknM&p=C0DCA412EB0DF0EE&playnext=1&index=63
He he, you think? Ok, let me give you more Marshalls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbuay4QdfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oex5rt_U-Jc
Find me just one with Line6
Yes, I think so. He only used Line6 during United Abominations album. He has always been a Marshal user but he switched back and forth a lot. Especially when recording. He is known to use cae3, bogner fish, prophesy, digitech preamps, VHT power amps.
I agree he is huge fan of marshalls but he tried a lot of other stuff out there.
Very good points Ace. Spoken like a true philosopher.
And without hijacking the thread any further, for Dali's questions; Line 6 M9 and M13 are a very good stomp box modelers. Here is a very good M9 demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlHz1kOFknM&p=C0DCA412EB0DF0EE&playnext=1&index=63
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cronnin
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
I believe you, but I still say he is BSing.
Mustaine about his Line6 signature model:
"I used to use Marshall power amp, similar in size, weight five times as much as tihis" ....that's like a bad thing ?!
He is talking as if he was the one to carry the equipment. Or like he had a sudden revelation of altruism and he is feeling sorry for his roadies
"It's modeled after Marshall 1967 Plexi"
"and then there's the Plexi sound which is identical to the sound that we modeled the amp after"
WhyTH would someone go from Marshall to Line6 just to have an exact Marshall clone? I don't believe he even used it for recording.
He's a megalomaniac. He just wanted a signature amp, but Marshall didn't find him to be such an important person to have their signature amp, and he went to Line 6.
And they needed guys like him to promote their equipment. Before that they only had crappy SS amps. WTH does 'Line 6' mean anyway?
That every 66th buyer will have a 6-66 model number so that more satanic sounds will be coming out of the speakers?
I do believe that they were unreliable. What else he expected from a 10 lbs 100 W head?!
BTW, that's just my opinion, and by no means I want to neglect you personally, or the official data that you quoted
I believe you, but I still say he is BSing.
Mustaine about his Line6 signature model:
"I used to use Marshall power amp, similar in size, weight five times as much as tihis" ....that's like a bad thing ?!
He is talking as if he was the one to carry the equipment. Or like he had a sudden revelation of altruism and he is feeling sorry for his roadies
"It's modeled after Marshall 1967 Plexi"
"and then there's the Plexi sound which is identical to the sound that we modeled the amp after"
WhyTH would someone go from Marshall to Line6 just to have an exact Marshall clone? I don't believe he even used it for recording.
He's a megalomaniac. He just wanted a signature amp, but Marshall didn't find him to be such an important person to have their signature amp, and he went to Line 6.
And they needed guys like him to promote their equipment. Before that they only had crappy SS amps. WTH does 'Line 6' mean anyway?
That every 66th buyer will have a 6-66 model number so that more satanic sounds will be coming out of the speakers?
I do believe that they were unreliable. What else he expected from a 10 lbs 100 W head?!
BTW, that's just my opinion, and by no means I want to neglect you personally, or the official data that you quoted
J Moose
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
The only real point I'm trying to drive home is this notion that one 'must' use a multi-fx box or some sorta modeling thing for home recording. That's a total cop-out.
Believe me, I've recorded PLENTY of guitars going through amps at volumes that can either be talked or shouted over.
Amps don't need to be at wall-shattering volume to sound great with a mic. Not even close. Even those little battery powered amps can sound HUGE if you put a little effort into it... and those can be tucked under a bed.
King Crimson is pretty legit but com'on man! Those cats are the poster children for tweaky, processed "guitar that doesn't sound like a guitar" tones. I love that stuff but its like saying everyone drives at 180 miles an hour and then using Jeff Gordon as the example.
That's what? Maybe 10% of the guitar playing population is going for that sorta thing? I wish it were more... even though its not my personal bag I do enjoy listening to that trip.
Not likely since a lot of the gear used back then is STILL in high demand today. Somehow Neumann & AKG tube mics going through big transformer based consoles like a Neve or Helios never went out of style. To say nothing of Les Pauls, Tele's, Marshalls and Ludwig drums...
I'd beg to differ... most people can readily tell the difference in an A/B test. Especially in a studio where every detail is under a magnifying glass.
And I still haven't come across any modeling/FX box that makes me want to toss any of my half-dozen amps and put that cash into the bank.
Nor have I seen any band of notable stature running the guitars into a macbook at a concert... and believe me, with the all-access passes, I'd see that.
Probably about the same time Kiss fired Ace for the second time. hehehehe
I dunno man, if touring with White Zombie & Manson... having your tunes all over the X-Games & the Dogtown movies isn't "big" then I dunno what is. How's your band doing?
The only real point I'm trying to drive home is this notion that one 'must' use a multi-fx box or some sorta modeling thing for home recording. That's a total cop-out.
Believe me, I've recorded PLENTY of guitars going through amps at volumes that can either be talked or shouted over.
Amps don't need to be at wall-shattering volume to sound great with a mic. Not even close. Even those little battery powered amps can sound HUGE if you put a little effort into it... and those can be tucked under a bed.
King Crimson is pretty legit but com'on man! Those cats are the poster children for tweaky, processed "guitar that doesn't sound like a guitar" tones. I love that stuff but its like saying everyone drives at 180 miles an hour and then using Jeff Gordon as the example.
That's what? Maybe 10% of the guitar playing population is going for that sorta thing? I wish it were more... even though its not my personal bag I do enjoy listening to that trip.
Not likely since a lot of the gear used back then is STILL in high demand today. Somehow Neumann & AKG tube mics going through big transformer based consoles like a Neve or Helios never went out of style. To say nothing of Les Pauls, Tele's, Marshalls and Ludwig drums...
I'd beg to differ... most people can readily tell the difference in an A/B test. Especially in a studio where every detail is under a magnifying glass.
And I still haven't come across any modeling/FX box that makes me want to toss any of my half-dozen amps and put that cash into the bank.
Nor have I seen any band of notable stature running the guitars into a macbook at a concert... and believe me, with the all-access passes, I'd see that.
Probably about the same time Kiss fired Ace for the second time. hehehehe
I dunno man, if touring with White Zombie & Manson... having your tunes all over the X-Games & the Dogtown movies isn't "big" then I dunno what is. How's your band doing?
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
ehdwuld
A Ficus
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
I just find it easier for my needs to plug in the modeler and hit record
rather than setting up a pedalboard and finding the perfect mic position
if you guys have an extra room in your house just to leave all this set up
then Great I dont
models are fine for what I do
in a band recording
the subtleties of you mic position would get lost to the bass and drums and the lead singer's "its the lyrics that carry the tune man"
I just find it easier for my needs to plug in the modeler and hit record
rather than setting up a pedalboard and finding the perfect mic position
if you guys have an extra room in your house just to leave all this set up
then Great I dont
models are fine for what I do
in a band recording
the subtleties of you mic position would get lost to the bass and drums and the lead singer's "its the lyrics that carry the tune man"
eschoendorff
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
You sure do seem hell bent on putting Mustaine in his place. I don't think we'll ever agree on the place though...
I believe you, but I still say he is BSing.
Mustaine about his Line6 signature model:
"I used to use Marshall power amp, similar in size, weight five times as much as tihis" ....that's like a bad thing ?!
He is talking as if he was the one to carry the equipment. Or like he had a sudden revelation of altruism and he is feeling sorry for his roadies
"It's modeled after Marshall 1967 Plexi"
"and then there's the Plexi sound which is identical to the sound that we modeled the amp after"
WhyTH would someone go from Marshall to Line6 just to have an exact Marshall clone? I don't believe he even used it for recording.
He's a megalomaniac. He just wanted a signature amp, but Marshall didn't find him to be such an important person to have their signature amp, and he went to Line 6.
And they needed guys like him to promote their equipment. Before that they only had crappy SS amps. WTH does 'Line 6' mean anyway?
That every 66th buyer will have a 6-66 model number so that more satanic sounds will be coming out of the speakers?
I do believe that they were unreliable. What else he expected from a 10 lbs 100 W head?!
BTW, that's just my opinion, and by no means I want to neglect you personally, or the official data that you quoted
You sure do seem hell bent on putting Mustaine in his place. I don't think we'll ever agree on the place though...
cronnin
New member
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
Well, most I can give you is to say that dubious quality of guitar sound on UA smells like L6. That's my best offer
Well, most I can give you is to say that dubious quality of guitar sound on UA smells like L6. That's my best offer
krankguitarist
Krankitupologist
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
Is a real tube amp going through a nice mic through a great mic preamp in a great room and all that other crap probably better than an amp modeler?
Yeah.
Is that why the big bands use 'em?
Yeah.
If you're a ****ing broke-ass musician, can an amp modeler come close enough, so you don't spend the extra ten of thousands of dollars just to get *that* sound?
You bet your ass.
Anyways, thus the advantage of modelers, and to a lesser extent, multi-fx. Cheaper. Easier. In many cases, more conductive to the creative process. "Better" is an arbitrary term that depends on a person's situation. "Sound quality" will not always reign as king.
Is a real tube amp going through a nice mic through a great mic preamp in a great room and all that other crap probably better than an amp modeler?
Yeah.
Is that why the big bands use 'em?
Yeah.
If you're a ****ing broke-ass musician, can an amp modeler come close enough, so you don't spend the extra ten of thousands of dollars just to get *that* sound?
You bet your ass.
Anyways, thus the advantage of modelers, and to a lesser extent, multi-fx. Cheaper. Easier. In many cases, more conductive to the creative process. "Better" is an arbitrary term that depends on a person's situation. "Sound quality" will not always reign as king.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
Real tubes are a huge advantage, though. Comparing a Vox Tonelab (has a tube) and any Line6 model is an eye-opener. Even on my keyboard I have a tube (Korg Triton Extreme) and putting the tube in is almost always an advantage.
Real tubes are a huge advantage, though. Comparing a Vox Tonelab (has a tube) and any Line6 model is an eye-opener. Even on my keyboard I have a tube (Korg Triton Extreme) and putting the tube in is almost always an advantage.
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
I thought so too, but I think it's because the Vox units have better cab sims. I've been using Revalver with 3rd party impulses and it's blowing away the Tonelab ST, which was my favorite for a while. I started loading Line 6 amps (from Pod Farm) into Revalver and they're really opened up once you quit using the stock cabs. (I ran the Tonelab ST into the computer and used 3rd party impulses and was able to get the same tones.)
Out of the floor units though, the Vox Tonelab ST does sound better than the Digitech RP series and Line 6 X3 series.
I thought so too, but I think it's because the Vox units have better cab sims. I've been using Revalver with 3rd party impulses and it's blowing away the Tonelab ST, which was my favorite for a while. I started loading Line 6 amps (from Pod Farm) into Revalver and they're really opened up once you quit using the stock cabs. (I ran the Tonelab ST into the computer and used 3rd party impulses and was able to get the same tones.)
Out of the floor units though, the Vox Tonelab ST does sound better than the Digitech RP series and Line 6 X3 series.
cronnin
New member
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
Haven't tried any Zooms with tubes, the last one I had was either the G1 or G2. (It was about a year and a half ago.)
Haven't tried any Zooms with tubes, the last one I had was either the G1 or G2. (It was about a year and a half ago.)
mule
New member
The Dali
MeltedClockologist
Re: Talk to me about Multi-fx pedals...
I am seriously interested in trying this out... my intent is simplicity and variety of tone without all the pedals at my feet. For standard rock distortion my Traynor breaks up just fine, but if I want to add some color I'd rather have a setting than tweaks all the pedals... I think I'm going to look at the Vox series...
I am seriously interested in trying this out... my intent is simplicity and variety of tone without all the pedals at my feet. For standard rock distortion my Traynor breaks up just fine, but if I want to add some color I'd rather have a setting than tweaks all the pedals... I think I'm going to look at the Vox series...
