TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

[VinceT]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

If you have your Boss tuner first and reverb last you're in a perfect place. Many use it as a buffer as their first pedal in their chain. You might want to have it first after you wah though. Wah's usually don't sound great with a buffer in front of them.

+1

Steve - with that much cable, the need for a buffer isn't so great, so you don't need to go overboard - and with the pedals you have, certainly don't need to buy a lone buffer "just because"

On reverb at the end of the board - there are no rules, of course!

However, if you're going for a natural sound, then reverb is last because it's acting like room ambience once everything amplified is done. On a record, this would be the room Mic some distance from the cab; in an arena, poor Billy up in the Gods in the very back row of the nosebleed seats.

In this scenario, you'd also put delays before the reverb, because that's what happens in the world - multi-reflections, etc.

If you're using the reverb as a spring emulation (e.g. For an amp without its own tank), then you'd naturally want to put it last in chain WITHIN the amplification path - for most amps, the closest you'll get to this would have to be in the effects loop (after the preamp) as that's where the tank sits in the schematic. I use the spring on my Strymon El Capistan this way - but if I'm playing an amp without a loop, I'll put it into the front and just adjust settings to taste.


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[Mincer]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

I also dig TC's decision to put DIP switches inside. This way it is your choice. You tend to read less about true bypass these days than in the early 2000s where it was all over the place.

 

[SJ318]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

MrTondo - I think my Wah does come before my Tuner. I'll check tomorrow. Thanks.
VinceT - I'll move the end pedals because the way you put it, it makes more sense. I will change the order of "modulation" pedals at the end. (I just said that).
Does my Boss Tuner, 10 years old or so, have a good (or newer) type of buffer in it?
Fun Fact: many reviews, comments, And chatter says the Corona will eat the battery in 1 hour, they all say that, even "you'll be lucky to get an hour of battery time. Well, I put a battery in and it was going full strength after 4 hours. I will hook it up again when I wake up. An Everready 9 volt.
I am especially grateful to all. Great info and advice.
Steve Buffington

 

[Darg1911]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

MrTondo - I think my Wah does come before my Tuner. I'll check tomorrow. Thanks.
VinceT - I'll move the end pedals because the way you put it, it makes more sense. I will change the order of "modulation" pedals at the end. (I just said that).
Does my Boss Tuner, 10 years old or so, have a good (or newer) type of buffer in it?
Fun Fact: many reviews, comments, And chatter says the Corona will eat the battery in 1 hour, they all say that, even "you'll be lucky to get an hour of battery time. Well, I put a battery in and it was going full strength after 4 hours. I will hook it up again when I wake up. An Everready 9 volt.
I am especially grateful to all. Great info and advice.
Steve Buffington

You probably have the Boss TU-2. Yep, it's buffered. Considering how popular it is and how many players have used that tuner, I'd say you're fine with it's buffer.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

I also dig TC's decision to put DIP switches inside. This way it is your choice. You tend to read less about true bypass these days than in the early 2000s where it was all over the place.

I see a switchable buffer as the "right" way to do it. It lets you select whichever option integrates better into your rig -- and that may change over time -- instead of pretending that one is always inherently superior to the other.

 

[ThisDyingSoul76]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

I just wish that anyone building a buffered delay pedal would just take the time to make it so the trails are not cut off when you turn it off. Surely it's all in where your switch cuts the signal from? It can't add that much extra cost? And loop switchers... Would it kill the cheaper ones to have just 2 loops that can be buffered specifically for the purpose of preserving trails in delay and reverb?

 

[Mincer]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

Having trails is important to me, and part of the way I use a delay pedal. I like making really strange sounds, then playing over that.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

I just wish that anyone building a buffered delay pedal would just take the time to make it so the trails are not cut off when you turn it off. Surely it's all in where your switch cuts the signal from? It can't add that much extra cost? And loop switchers... Would it kill the cheaper ones to have just 2 loops that can be buffered specifically for the purpose of preserving trails in delay and reverb?

I agree on Delays and reverbs. Make them switchable True Bypass/Buffered and Trails/No Trails. (Sometimes you want to be able to cut off the repeats, especially if you are at infinite repeats)

Cheaper loop switchers are cheap. You have to get into Boss, RJM, GigRig territory to get all the features.

 

[VinceT]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

Yeah, not to hijack thread, but I've always wondered why delay default setting isn't "Trails ON" with the option to turn them off instead of the other way around. Outside of extreme delay usage, I'm pretty sure trails on is the majority of use case.


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[SJ318]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

Darg1911,
My Boss tuner is a TU-3. Does that mean it is newer than a TU-2? Therefore having a better buffer?
Thanks in advance for responding and everyone else, and their little dog too!
Fun Fact: my Corona Chorus got plugged in today and the battery burnt out after 2.5 hours, so with 4 hours yesterday and 2.5 today (I unplugged it for the night) it lasts about 6.5-7 hours.
Steve Buffington

 

[Darg1911]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

Yeah, the 3's replaced the 2's. I don't know if Boss changed the buffer or not. I was fine with the buffer in the TU-2. I bought a 3 when my 2 finally died and the 3 that I got happened to be a lemon. Just bad luck. But I returned it and bought a Polytune instead so I personally have no experience to compare the buffers between the 2's and 3's.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

I bypassed my true switch and buffered my cableshoes....
But the polarity got jinxed...so now it is an atomic sublevel tone squelch....
Anyways...
These things seems be recycling themselves every decade or so...

 

[ThisDyingSoul76]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

I find Boss buffers do change periodically. I've had new Boss pedals and the buffer is fine, late 2000's where the buffer is ****e, and 90's pedals where they are decent. I have found that the best Boss pedals are often the Japanese ones though. It all depends on how they've changed due to cost cutting or part availability or customer feedback.

 

[Progbusters]

Re: TC Elect. trim pots? buffer vs. true bypass?

thanks for this. i set mine to buffer sitting at end of pedal board. Its the Mimiq