TC Electronic Home Run

[misterwhizzy]

Potentially, anyway.

I'm sure at least some of you have seen the announcement of the Ditto Looper. This looks like the PERFECT tool to practice and develop solos. I hope the price point is reasonable, and based on their recent TonePrint offerings, I have to believe it will be. This looks awesome, and if it performs like they promise, it would be a phenomenal tool for me.

 

[alteredbeast]

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I saw that too! looks real cool.

 

[Kam]

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Never heard of it before, but now I really want one.

Also, the dude in this video is a killer player...

 

[DankStar]

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holy crap, 5 minutes. that's freakin' cool. you could lay down the 6 strings and practice the bass lines over it, solos, harmonies. totally added to my want list!

 

[Inkstained]

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I want. Now.

 

[FretFire]

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Yep, I'm sure I'll pick one up. It's not anything I'd use live, but it seems like a great tool for practice.

 

[Agileguy_101]

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MAP is $130, as announced on TGP by Tore himself.

 

[Surgeon]

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Sounds like a great looper for little money. Might be a good addition to my live acoustic non-existent board (which is basically just my Akai Headrush E2 at the mometn)....

 

[lpmarshall]

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I have a JamMan stereo for looping, but I can't stress enough how great of a tool a looper is for writing/practicing. This is a great entry point if you are looking for a looper. I really wish I would have bought a looper about 10 years ago.

 

[Mincer]

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I have been using looping devices for over 25 years, and I am happy they are getting more mainstream. I love the idea of this pedal, but wish there was a way to control the loop volume with your feet. They have the knob for it, so I am sure someone at some point will mod it with an expression pedal jack- then it would be really useful for me as a live improvisation tool- I could fade loops out and in, without the jarring effect of a dense loop suddenly turning off.

 

[misterwhizzy]

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Wow! $130? That's about perfect. I'd pay that.

 

[Aceman]

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Ditto is Ghetto! I LIKE IT!!!!!!

MAy be a key component for my Acoustic rig...

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

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This looks cool, but... what happened to jamming out parts with your band, grooving and letting things develop organically??? Maybe a step forward for technology, but not a step forward in musicianship, imo.

 

[Mincer]

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Well, I think loopers have sort of morphed to be a glorified minidisc, which is great for getting ideas out at home, but with precious little control over the loops when playing live. Even the flagship Boss units are essentially a 'band in a box' rather than being, really, an instrument in itself. The closest loopers out there for improvisation during live playing (with or without a band) would be the Boomerang and the Looperlative. All loopers have their place, but without more control over the loop, these types of pedals (Ditto, included) are more suited to practice at home than anything else. And for that, it is an awesome little tool.

 

[misterwhizzy]

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Well, I think loopers have sort of morphed to be a glorified minidisc, which is great for getting ideas out at home, but with precious little control over the loops when playing live. Even the flagship Boss units are essentially a 'band in a box' rather than being, really, an instrument in itself. The closest loopers out there for improvisation during live playing (with or without a band) would be the Boomerang and the Looperlative. All loopers have their place, but without more control over the loop, these types of pedals (Ditto, included) are more suited to practice at home than anything else. And for that, it is an awesome little tool.

And that's exactly how I would use it. You ever want to work out a solo when the band doesn't have the patience for it? Bingo. Here's the answer.

 

[FretFire]

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This looks cool, but... what happened to jamming out parts with your band, grooving and letting things develop organically??? Maybe a step forward for technology, but not a step forward in musicianship, imo.

That's definitely more fun and usually productive from a songwriting standpoint, but I don't think my band will want to jam chord vamps so I can practice modes :laugh2:. I really foresee using this as a practice tool more than anything. I use programmable utilities like the ChordBot phone app right now, but they're pretty limited. I prefer to "play rhythm" for myself when I'm practicing things.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

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I think that is my point, though, and I can appreciate what you guys are saying, but -- why WOULDN'T your band mates have the patience to work through solos? It gives the entire band a chance to fine tune the section; it's not just about 'vamping for the guitar player'. Everyone benefits, the section gets light years tighter, and the interaction often sparks divergences into new areas you would never discover on your own playing with a static loop.

I have always had bands where we had entire rehearse/record sessions just to work out solo/instrumental parts. Not only to give me a guide map, but to transform the entire section into something more than the sum of its parts.

As a writing tool, I do not think that adding another piece of gadgetry to one's already overflowing pile of pedals is the answer. As a creative tool for live experimentation, as was stated above by mincer, it has much more potential, but due to the current state of the loopers' limitations, they fall flat.

 

[Lazarus1140]

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As a creative tool for live experimentation, as was stated above by mincer, it has much more potential, but due to the current state of the loopers' limitations, they fall flat.

This thread got me thinking about a new looper from (I think it was) EHX I saw introduced recently. It had two channels and obviously lacked the simplicity of the Ditto. I was wonering what Mincer would think of its functionality and suitability for live use. The drag is that now I can't locate it.

 

[Lazarus1140]

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I wonder if the Ditto has a latching or momentary type switch. I have a Boss RC-2 and I've never liked the switch. More specifically, I haven't used it enough to become adept at starting to record or playback a loop at the right time. It seems like the loop starts when you let off the switch rather than when you press it. I would love to have a looper I was comfortable using live.

 

[Mincer]

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I'd be interested in any new looper, so if you find the link to a new one, let me know. As far as applications for live use, for me, a looper needs some way to control the volume of the loop (or better yet, feedback) with my feet. Id also like something like multiply, which allows you to take a 4 bar phrase and record an 8 bar melody over. Or better yet, re-sampling, which allows you to define new start and end points while the loop is playing. Also, add in 2 loops playing at once (not synced up)- yeah, that would be my perfect looper. BTW, I don't need to save loops, and I don't need a lot of loop time either.
I do use simple loopers for practice- just improvising over progressions. I use a Jamman Solo for this. I suspect the Ditto would be great as well.