The Kernel
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I thought it was an active unit, but I'm reading that it's not?? Very interesting! Can they be installed into any strat? Can you still retain your original single coil tone if you want to?
That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
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stevie_bees
Cat In The Hatministrator
Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
I thought that all US Strats from the mid 80's came with TBX, upto the late 90's when the Delta Tone was fitted.
I thought that all US Strats from the mid 80's came with TBX, upto the late 90's when the Delta Tone was fitted.
scottish
WeirdScienceologist
Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
i dont think so. im pretty sure most of them come with the regular tone setup. i could be wrong though cause i dont really know anything about strat models. i know i have mine and i love it, lol.
but yeah, you can shove a tbx in any strat...you could put it in a LP if you wanted but i dont know why you would
i dont think so. im pretty sure most of them come with the regular tone setup. i could be wrong though cause i dont really know anything about strat models. i know i have mine and i love it, lol.
but yeah, you can shove a tbx in any strat...you could put it in a LP if you wanted but i dont know why you would
ErikH
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Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
American Standard Strats from their introduction in 1986 until the change to the American Series with the Delta Tone control in 2000 came with the TBX tone control. American Standard Teles had them too from their introduction in 1988 until 2000.
It's an ok control but I prefer an alternate wiring that replaces the 82k parallel resistor and places a 220k in series with the 2 pots. I found the stock wiring to affect the pickup's output some.
American Standard Strats from their introduction in 1986 until the change to the American Series with the Delta Tone control in 2000 came with the TBX tone control. American Standard Teles had them too from their introduction in 1988 until 2000.
It's an ok control but I prefer an alternate wiring that replaces the 82k parallel resistor and places a 220k in series with the 2 pots. I found the stock wiring to affect the pickup's output some.
The Kernel
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Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
So the pot alters your tone even when it is "off"?
So the pot alters your tone even when it is "off"?
ErikH
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Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
It doesn't behave like a traditional tone control in it's stock wiring form.
This is from Guitarelectronics.com:
What is a Fender TBX tone control and how does it work?
Some Fender guitars come equipped with a special pot called a TBX Tone Control T (treble) B (bass) X (Cut) that cuts either treble or bass instead of a tone pot that cuts treble frequencies only. This is done with a ganged 500K-1M ohm control pot that is wired to work as a low-pass filter in one direction and a high-pass filter in the opposite direction. A center detent in the middle position is provided for the off or "flat" position. Although Fender altered their Strat tone configuration to have the TBX control on the middle and bridge pickups, it can be also be wired as a master treble/bass control. The TBX can also be used in place of any standard tone control on any guitar.
Mine is wired differently. See here: http://blueguitar.org/new/schem/_gtr/tbx_fdp.pdf
It doesn't behave like a traditional tone control in it's stock wiring form.
This is from Guitarelectronics.com:
What is a Fender TBX tone control and how does it work?
Some Fender guitars come equipped with a special pot called a TBX Tone Control T (treble) B (bass) X (Cut) that cuts either treble or bass instead of a tone pot that cuts treble frequencies only. This is done with a ganged 500K-1M ohm control pot that is wired to work as a low-pass filter in one direction and a high-pass filter in the opposite direction. A center detent in the middle position is provided for the off or "flat" position. Although Fender altered their Strat tone configuration to have the TBX control on the middle and bridge pickups, it can be also be wired as a master treble/bass control. The TBX can also be used in place of any standard tone control on any guitar.
Mine is wired differently. See here: http://blueguitar.org/new/schem/_gtr/tbx_fdp.pdf
ErikH
Well-known member
Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
What I meant by it affecting the output in it's stock form is that I noticed it was pulling down the DC resistance reading of my bridge pickup more than a traditional tone control would. It was quite noticeable while playing too. I knew something wasn't right and that's when I put the meter to work and found the culrpit. That's when I came across Doc's mod that I posted the link to. It made a huge difference and I'm very pleased with how it works. It's weird because I never messed with the TBX before then.
What I meant by it affecting the output in it's stock form is that I noticed it was pulling down the DC resistance reading of my bridge pickup more than a traditional tone control would. It was quite noticeable while playing too. I knew something wasn't right and that's when I put the meter to work and found the culrpit. That's when I came across Doc's mod that I posted the link to. It made a huge difference and I'm very pleased with how it works. It's weird because I never messed with the TBX before then.
idsnowdog
Imperator of Indignation
Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
The stock TBX is mildly interesting. One direction is a passive bass cut and the other direction a passive high cut. There is a detente in the middle, but that spot is pretty small. I would imagine you could probably tweak it.
The stock TBX is mildly interesting. One direction is a passive bass cut and the other direction a passive high cut. There is a detente in the middle, but that spot is pretty small. I would imagine you could probably tweak it.
ErikH
Well-known member
Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
That spot in the middle is also where there is a "dead" spot in the traces, the sucker goes open circuit. Read that PDF I linked to. It's all in there. The way it works wired that way is that you get a typical tone put from zero to just before the detente at 5 and the from 6-10, just past the detente, you can open it up even more to the point where it's practically no-load on 10.
That spot in the middle is also where there is a "dead" spot in the traces, the sucker goes open circuit. Read that PDF I linked to. It's all in there. The way it works wired that way is that you get a typical tone put from zero to just before the detente at 5 and the from 6-10, just past the detente, you can open it up even more to the point where it's practically no-load on 10.
guitarspaz
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Re: That TBX control on the Clapton strat...
FWIW,
I had one wired stock in my 89 strat. In the center detent, it muffled the pickup a bit. When I replaced it with a regular tone, it sounded much more straty to my ears. Haven't tried it with alternate wiring.
FWIW,
I had one wired stock in my 89 strat. In the center detent, it muffled the pickup a bit. When I replaced it with a regular tone, it sounded much more straty to my ears. Haven't tried it with alternate wiring.
