The Audience Doesn't Care What Pedals You Use

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True, but if you have a large pedalboard full of the latest $300+ boutique stompboxes, the female members of audience will want to have another drink and get laid by you. Boss pedals do not have the same effect (no pun intended).
I think a big thing is how tone makes you play and makes you feel. If you are confident in your tone and like the sound you have on stage, then you play better and are more relaxed on stage and in most cases I think the female members of the audience are more attracted to confident guitarist that play well then guys freaking out (usually me) because their sound isn't right. And on that point some sounds are just bad or just not professional like when you turn on the overdrive for a ripping solo and it is way quieter then anything and then the clean rythmn playing afterwards overshadows the vocals.... Or your distortion is painful in the upper frequencies and makes the audience cringe if not leave when you rip that solo (alot of pedals do have this problem that isnt noticed as much at bedroom volumes but is when playing loud through a PA).

On the overall topic, audience cares if it sounds good and you think its sounds good brand names don't really matter
 
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Reliability & noise are big factors and those do matter to the audience. And good pedal ergonomics matter to the player. If I can count on my gear and know how it will respond it makes it easier for me to play. Most players are looking for any edge they can get from their gear. So I can justify getting more expensive equipment based on that (with the caveat that more expensive doesn't always mean better, of course).

But even so there are some pedals that really are just for you and the tone freaks, and that is totally cool too, part of the fun of playing.
 
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I'm so glad Seymour Duncan picked you as their ambassador of tone, Geoff. Well said.
 
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I separate it into two different parts of the same obsession. On one hand, you've got the shiny fun music toys we all love to discuss here, and pretty much only here.....unless you want your friends and loved ones to constantly tell you to STFU about guitar junk.

Then, if music is what you're about, you've got the side that's about playing. That doesn't require a constant dialogue, just getting real and being the best player you can be. The payoff there is the real thing......people connecting to music. At that point, you'd better carry yourself as a player, and the gear you use only emphasizes who you are. If it's great music and cool gear, you're doing it right. If it's great music and decent gear, you're doing it right. If it's bad music with any gear.....you get the picture.
 
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I cared only once about a dude pedalboard. It was an amateur band and the music was meh. I noticed his pedalboard had a very nice rainbow color, and then I realized that he ordered the pedals by color. I couldn't take this guy seriously.
 
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There are times when you can tell if a board is to be played or to be shown off... I hate watching bands on the late night shows where the player has a huge board and never hits anything. Some guys really do just use this stuff as jewlry.
 
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At the Gates' Slaughter of the Soul - a Peavey Supreme with a Boss Metal Zone into a 4 x 12 cab with two busted speakers. You do what you can with what you have.

discusseed at 15:20 -


This album is considered the Reign in Blood of the 90's yet they used a High School Guitar Player rig. So many modern melodic death metal bands have careers based on Slaughter of the Soul.

Oh, and they used the Boss HM2 in conjunction with the MT2. I think.
 
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I don't watch late night tv, so I don't really know the types of bands that play there. I'm assuming they're at least national touring acts, if not international. It could be that these guitarists have boards built for playing a whole set but on the show they only play a few songs, hence why they don't use all of their pedals.
 
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So what? Why is this accepted as a valid excuse to not buy something?

My tone is for me, not the audience. I own up to that, hell I'm even proud of it. The only part that the audience cares about is whether or not they can hear the notes I'm playing. If how much the audience cared about your gear actually mattered, we'd all use Squier, Boss, and Peavey.

I hear exactly where you are coming from. I hate it when my sound is crap. I hate it even more when I can't hear me at all, awesome or crap tone.

That said - I think (and this may be just me...) that the audience really cares that you

a) Play it well - whether it is correct, a variation, improvasation or whatever
b) play it like you mean it - attitude, feel, selling it out
c) Play it together with groove and locked in

Do those things and a Crate solid state and a Squire Strat will rock the place. Don't do those two things, and no reissue axe of awesome, box of uber tone, and amp of amazing will save you.

I think a lot of people spend way too much time on the tone, and not enough on the others.
 
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I can somewhat go along with the national bands having a full set rig setup... But one would think that maybe they'd bring a scaled down rig. It's no crime for sure, but like Ace said... Sometimes people are splitting hairs. Fact of the matter is there is always better no matter what. At some point you gotta just play and not worry all the time.

We can't forget amp Gremlins anyway! Those things get in and muck up stuff...
 
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Interesting comments...all.

But in the end, there are gear snobs and there is junk gear.

If it sounds good to you, that feeling will transmit to the audience. Throwing $$$ at it isn't the answer and failures during a gig will cause your demise. We could all name numerous successful artists who have used very ordinary/common gear whose sound most can't replicate. AND many other top notch artists use the highest priced, custom gear ever seen, just because they can.

To each his own, but don't look down on the snob nor the cheapskate if he/she sounds good.
 
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I hear exactly where you are coming from. I hate it when my sound is crap. I hate it even more when I can't hear me at all, awesome or crap tone.

That said - I think (and this may be just me...) that the audience really cares that you

a) Play it well - whether it is correct, a variation, improvasation or whatever
b) play it like you mean it - attitude, feel, selling it out
c) Play it together with groove and locked in

Do those things and a Crate solid state and a Squire Strat will rock the place. Don't do those two things, and no reissue axe of awesome, box of uber tone, and amp of amazing will save you.

I think a lot of people spend way too much time on the tone, and not enough on the others.

Well said.
 
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Paragraph #4 really got my blood boiling. "less expensive / Asian vs USA gear /expensive gear." So...less expensive gear comes from Asia, and USA gear is expensive? I guess the Japanese don't know that they should sell Navigators for less than $500 because they are Asian guitars. And Gibson really ought to sell all of their guitars for a lot more money than any Asian guitars because Gibsons are made in the USA. "A modded entry level guitar will never be a well crafted guitar" Hmm, I think most of us here consider Squier to be an entry level guitar. Well, my made in Japan (gasp!) Squier Venus has neck to body fit, fret finishing, and control cavity routing and finishing that is exponentially better than my Gibson SG (albeit a Special model...for the sake of full disclosure). And I don't say this because I spent less money on the Venus, it's simply fact if one compares rough vs smooth fret edges and wood finishing along with any measurable gaps between neck and body. And lastly "cheaply made gear is never a benchmark or reference point when seeking excellence or subtle harmonic detail." I seem to recall a company from California that was criticized for producing guitars with bolted-on vs glued in necks. Boy this company was ripped a new one because of their cheaply made (compared to at-the-time traditionally made) guitars. It's so sad that Leo created the Esquire, Broadcaster, Telecaster, and Stratocaster because these cheaply made guitars were doomed from the start to never be benchmarks of excellence or harmonic detail.



I find it useful to qualify who it is that is actually saying what. There are few people of real influence and I think most of us can read above the din after years on the boards. Still in honesty it is the din created by such statements (and propagated by a certain mentality) that keeps some good contributing members and or potential members at a distance. At some point the din is so loud you just won't engage anymore. I appreciate the content of the this thread myself. It's a drop of clear water in a an often murky pond and its important to keep perceptions open and information in check.

Personally I find gear bashing of any kind to be a lack of understanding. Whether its bashing cheap or expensive gear it is pointless to me. Quality dialogue with the intent to understand the strengths or shortcomings of gear is another thing and really helps us. Or helping a newer / budget strapped player get the most out of his/her gear in order to stay inspired and encouraged. This develops the ear. All gear can be useful to someone at some point.

Or when discussing tone: phrases like 'blows 'XXX' out of the water'. Often seen when people are comparing two quality products or two similar products (high-end or / vs low end doesn't matter). I find any generalizations along those lines are really just a sign of posturing, lack of real-life experience or the attempt to become validated by ones 'opinion' or 'purchase' choice.

Gear 'over praise' or gear shortsighted-ness. Often seen when discussing the purchase of (or ownership of) less expensive gear / Asian vs. USA gear / expensive gear. Sure, some budget gear is very musical and some expensive gear sounds very un-musical, but that will never level the playing field. Its silly to see the argument made. A modded entry level guitar will never be a well crafted guitar...(its ability to generate good sound aside). A boutique hand-made pedal never guarantees better tone than a less expensive standard or budget gem. But cheaply made gear is never a benchmark or reference point when seeking excellence or subtle harmonic detail. On the flip side, high-expense or high-cost is never a benchmark for quality sound. As a whole however, I have seen that those who care enough to produce excellence in craftsmanship, whether pickups, pedals, guitars, pre-amps, etc.. generally have excellence of tone as their chief goal and they generally reach that goal. Budget gear will always be able to get the job done, sometime really well. That never qualifies it as equal gear just by default, it just makes it usable gear that can get the job done. This is true of all tools.

Also mis-understood and propagated is the ' not worth twice, three times the cost etc' comments often heard when comparing guitars or pedals or pickups. I find It's the 'not worth' part that is seldom understood by the average player (sometimes with little experience with the gear in question other than a demo at GC as a reference point). Double the price is not meant to be double the sound quality. At some point in our tone development this becomes a game of personal details. A game of inches towards our vision. Sure, alot of gear can cover the first 90% well but that is where it ends (I really believe the average player settles for 50% development anyway) It is that last 10% that may require greater attention to detail and personal refinement. To get an extra 5%-10% we may need to pay 300% more, sometimes not. This is very true in Pro Audio in my experience particularly. It's not a linear gain ratio but that percentage is often worth any cost increase.

Lastly, defending gear as being one specific way (for better or worse) simply based one's own limited auto-biographical experience, tonal needs (or context). So often we discount the experience, the knowledge, the needs, values and mindfulness of other players who are consciously paying attention to the details as well. Even some 'newbies' just have excellent ears for tone and know what is what when they hear it. Context and clarification goes a long way here to expand the conversation and prevent the closing off of great possibilities. Defending any position with gear is a dead end anyway. Clarifying, demonstrating, documenting, putting our opinions in context etc. this is too easy to do nowadays and so useful for advancing us as a community.



100 % here.

Respect,

RG

EDIT: Long post. Thanks for reading. Cheers.
 
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It's not meant to be taken literally. It's a "poetic" way of saying, "Don't obsess over **** that doesn't make a difference in the end," and, "Remember that music is not made for you, the performer; it's made for your listeners." It's just a way to keep musicians product focused, as opposed to process focused.
 
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I find the audience is more interested in the tee-shirt I am wearing than what I am stepping on.
 
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It's not meant to be taken literally. It's a "poetic" way of saying, "Don't obsess over **** that doesn't make a difference in the end," and, "Remember that music is not made for you, the performer; it's made for your listeners." It's just a way to keep musicians product focused, as opposed to process focused.

You've obviously never visited TGP.

Serioisly though, my music isn't for the audience, it's for me. When I write a song, I'm not thinking about whether or not our fan will like it, I'm thinking "Does this tickle my nut hairs just right?" If the answer is no, I fix it until it does or write something else. Music is made for the musicians and played for the masses.
 
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It's a valid point, especially because it's also mainly used in defense of one's own gear. It's not meant to offend people who own nice stuff. I've said it myself, and I feel the gear I use is of reasonably high quality. It gives me solace to know I don't need to get too bummed out if I can't use my own gear at a gig. I live and gig in NYC, it's not often one needs to use their own full rigs at a show. It's just not practical to take a tube amp to every gig.


Guitar->pedals->amp
 
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In the interest of fairness, I don't care what pedals the audience uses, either.
 
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You missed the point completely.

I don't think so. Paragraphs 1-3 and 5-6 were written in such a way that the writer explained that he was giving his opinion. He also went on to point out the shortcomings that can occur when one makes blanket statements without explaining context or the limitations of one's experience. The reason I take issue with paragraph 4 is that it is full of blanket statements which are opinions, not facts, but the writer doesn't acknowledge this.

Regarding the original post, I don't really care what the audience thinks or what gear someone likes/dislikes. People defend their choices/opinions for any number of reasons. Who are we to decide whether they do it because they can't afford better gear, they like high quality gear, can't hear fine musical nuances, or any other reason? I do, however, find it useful to read about other people's experiences with gear to get a better idea of how all the pieces interact to produce a final result. Of course this is affected by each person's individual lens, which I don't lose sight of.
 
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