The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

[kaknight]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Guys, guys, guys! What are you doing here? Hey, I have an S-Deco. It's rad. You have been saying how much you want a ~10k PAF, and there it is. So it is too expensive. Scott offers to negotiate for a group deal - trying to get you a discount by ordering several. Now everyone is saying that the specs of the S-Deco doesn't do it for you. But, c'mon. What you were asking for is a hopped up PAF that's not as hot as the custom line. When someone comes up with a way to get it, this breeds even more malcontent. If everyone wants some split coiled, custom scatter wound, unbalanced glow in the dark custom order and not just a hot PAF, then aren't you really just wanting a totally custom shop pickup without that price? I can only imagine the if SD were going to put a hot PAF into production, it wouldn't be something that you could customize with unbalanced coils and giraffe spots! It would be one model of pickup. It just seems to me more like whining for the sake of it than anything else to slap Scott and the others who are in support of the group 10k idea to complain. I think it's brilliant to try to go in as a group. If i had another guitar to put a pickup in, I'd sign on too! If you want something totally custom (scatterwound, unbalanced, glow in the dark, smells like strawberries), call the custom shop. If you are demanding that SD make the S-Deco or some rough equivalent a production model, then going in together seems like the best way to promote that plan.

 

[JeffB]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Jeff's looking at around 9.0-9.5k for the bridge (at least I think he stated that a few times)

Correct. I believe I threw out a "I don't care what it reads" at one point, however I meant in the context I don't care if it 's 9.0 or 9.87457389 * pi.

KacKnight: After Evan initially brought up the S-Deco (which I had no idea what is was) and looking at the specs, I knew that it was not what I'm looking for,though I do believe that's what most of the others ARE clamoring for. If I wanted something as hot as 12K from Duncan, I'd just buy a Custom and be done with it. I simply am looking for that 9-10K overwound PAF/59 bridge that DiMArzio,Gibson, blah blah blah, has. A 59 with uneven winds preferably (agree with Doc Barlo, but even winds would be OK too), and overwound slightly for more mids that the 59 lacks. That is what the BB3/ Marshallhead/ VHPAF are.

I'm still in for this 10K bridge pup if it can be worked out..I've no interest in anything hotter and made that pretty clear. I can't speak for everyone else.

And a Zebra would be ok, Doc

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

all 4 are too hot for the various positions (for me).

That is why I said I've no interest in the S_Deco, but would be interested in an entirley different limited run if everyone could agree on some specs. I know in the original thread, many people were asking for the S-Deco type output, but tried to make it clear that's not what *I* am looking for. that VHPAF/Marshallhead/Maximus/BB3, level of wind is what I'm going for

Aaahhh, screw it. Just grab your favorite Duncan PAF clone, open it up and add about 600 turns to each coil. Yer done.

 

[JeffB]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Aaahhh, screw it. Just grab your favorite Duncan PAF clone, open it up and add about 600 turns to each coil. Yer done.

I suspect that is exactly what I'm looking for!

Regardless, I'm not trying to be a PITA here. I'd love to work with Scott/Dave etc., keep my money with Duncan, etc. Got no problem with "putting my money where my mouth is" as someone mentioned. But I've no interest for the S-Deco, and am not interested in spending over $100 on something I don't want.

Anyhoo...Scott if/when you get some info, LMK please

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Guys, guys, guys! What are you doing here? Hey, I have an S-Deco. It's rad. You have been saying how much you want a ~10k PAF, and there it is. So it is too expensive. Scott offers to negotiate for a group deal - trying to get you a discount by ordering several. Now everyone is saying that the specs of the S-Deco doesn't do it for you. But, c'mon. What you were asking for is a hopped up PAF that's not as hot as the custom line. When someone comes up with a way to get it, this breeds even more malcontent. If everyone wants some split coiled, custom scatter wound, unbalanced glow in the dark custom order and not just a hot PAF, then aren't you really just wanting a totally custom shop pickup without that price? I can only imagine the if SD were going to put a hot PAF into production, it wouldn't be something that you could customize with unbalanced coils and giraffe spots! It would be one model of pickup. It just seems to me more like whining for the sake of it than anything else to slap Scott and the others who are in support of the group 10k idea to complain. I think it's brilliant to try to go in as a group. If i had another guitar to put a pickup in, I'd sign on too! If you want something totally custom (scatterwound, unbalanced, glow in the dark, smells like strawberries), call the custom shop. If you are demanding that SD make the S-Deco or some rough equivalent a production model, then going in together seems like the best way to promote that plan.

1) What does your S Deco sound like (and which one do you have)?

2) The complaint is the same as with the Demon -- one isn't enough. Notice that no-one is asking for a custom 7.5-8.5k wind because everything is pretty much covered in the Duncan vintage-output line, 12 different winds. We're not asking for a custom pickup per se, we're "whining" about the lack of variety in that range so that custom jobs aren't necessary.

3) I think the group order is a great idea. It will be tough to settle on a spec all can agree with, but if the price is right, I'll bow to the will of the majority on the DC resistance, though I assume the wire insulation and type of wind voicing (fat, thin, punchy, smooth) is non-negotiable.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

If Dimarzio has a patent on mis-matched coils, couldn't you get around that legalese by saying the pickup is scatterwound? I know that's apples and oranges, but is there a legal definition of scatterwound? I would think legally scatterwound could be another way of mis-matching coils.

Somebody better tell Gibson -- their Burstbuckers are mismatched.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

I suspect that is exactly what I'm looking for!

Regardless, I'm not trying to be a PITA here. I'd love to work with Scott/Dave etc., keep my money with Duncan, etc. Got no problem with "putting my money where my mouth is" as someone mentioned. But I've no interest for the S-Deco, and am not interested in spending over $100 on something I don't want.

Anyhoo...Scott if/when you get some info, LMK please

I tell you what, Jeff, double-screw it -- grab your favorite Duncan vintage wind and send it to me and I'll add those turns for you for free. If I screw it up (I won't), I'll keep the pickup and send you the money you paid for it.

If interested, send me a PM.

 

[shredaholic]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

JeffB - you want a bridge Bareknuckle VHII, it's EXACTLY what you want. Mine measures 9.2k and is the best sounding pickup I've ever heard.

Here's some clips I made:

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1808

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2083

 

[Scott_F]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

new thread in a second w/ group order details...

 

[JeffB]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

I tell you what, Jeff, double-screw it -- grab your favorite Duncan vintage wind and send it to me and I'll add those turns for you for free. If I screw it up (I won't), I'll keep the pickup and send you the money you paid for it.

If interested, send me a PM.

Thank You very much for your offer Zhang! If for some reason, the "custom 10K PAF" thing doesn't come to fruition, I will certainly keep this in mind. However I would have to pay you for your services.

 

[Fusion1]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Jeff, sorry I never asked, but have you tried a Custom/59 hybrid?

 

[MattPete]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

So, who's in with Theodie & me on a group purchase?

Count me in.

 

[revolution]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Isn't a Screamin Demon a 10k PAF? It sounds like one.

 

[Scott_F]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Isn't a Screamin Demon a 10k PAF? It sounds like one.

Don't get everyone started again!

 

[kaknight]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

1) What does your S Deco sound like (and which one do you have)?

It sounds really really nice. It's an S-Deco2. I'll tell you what I requested, which led MJ to recommend it. I mentioned that I wanted something that sounded a lot like a Seth, but with higher output. I wanted something that wasn't as crisp and overbearingly bright as the 59b, with a warm top end like a CC, but preferably still with a full bottom. I just wanted something that sounded like it was made in 1958, but with a bit more output to drive my rig. I think that I really got it. Comparing it to the other pickups that I've had in my guitar - the C5 has much more output, much tighter bottom and much more icepick in the top end. When played clean the C5 sounded a bit shrill. This guitar sounds nice and full clean, and distorts with warmth. I would say that the C5 is a bit more transparent because it has so much more crispness in the top end, but that, to me, makes it sounds much less like a vintage PAF. Compared to a CC, this pup has a lot less output. This again helps with cleans because it seems to help keep the tone smoother and not as overbearing. The S-Deco2 has significantly more bass in the mix and a much smoother tone when distorted. I don't know if that is exactly what you are looking for, but I tell you for everything from hard rock, to blues, to some snappy clean leads it seems to be great for me.