The EMG Legend is true!

Re: The EMG Legend is true!

JB_From_Hell said:
I'm gonna guess they're probably more into the 60 than the 81 or 85.
Click to expand...

No idea, but I assume so. They also make a floating pickup for jazz boxes (EMG 91).
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

Imp said:
i was just pointing out duncans are about the same in the UK.. most european countries have the same story..
Click to expand...


EMGs are cheaper than Duncans here. And we have no exchange policy for either.
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

I was referencing prices in Canadian Dollars.

I am also tired of this debate. I don't understand why we can just use what we like and to hell with everything else. I have EMG's, Duncans, Dimarzio's, GFS and Ibanez pickups all with stunning results resulting from a lot of trial and error. My Tele screams at me every time I do a pickup swap, and I've had almost a half dozen pickups in each of my RG750's before finding what worked best.

Hook 'em up and try them. If they're not right, tear them out and put something else in. It's only money, and a pickup that's not right for this guitar, may be perfect for another. That's why I keep an almost new JB in a box. One day I may find a guitar in which it doesn't suck ass... :)

My 2 cents. I have clips of a number of pickups that I recorded if anyone wants...

Cheers.

Trevor
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

screamingdaisy said:
They are, but it's kinda clear that you don't understand the cause of that compression.....

Overwound passive pickups are compressed like a compressor would normally do....ie, it boosts weak signals to make them stronger.

EMGs aren't overwound, and are actually pretty weak when compared to passives. They're compressed because they hit the upper limits of the preamps ability to boost the signal. So you get dynamics up until a certian point until the preamp saturates, and then they won't get any louder (the squashed feeling alot of people don't like about EMGs).

Running EMGs at 18v increases the preamps headroom, so you can get more dynamics because you can pick the string harder before it saturates....not because it's giving more or less boost to the overall signal.

As for normal picking dynamics....you have to learn to work the EMG just like you need to learn any other pickup that's different from what you're used to. I can't work a humbucker in the same way as I work a single coil, nor can I work an EMG in the same way as I work a passive. It just takes practice is all.
Click to expand...
I know exactlyt why the compression occurs.
Because that preamp was designed in the 1970s.
I can work with a single coil the same as a humbucker as P-90 as a mini humbucker as a lace sensor.
only the tone changes and slight dynamic diferences.

EMGs have an extremely unnatural and uneven dynamic response.
Their dynamics cannot be worked around. i'd need a volume pedal to get close to the sounds I can get with any other pickup save maybe a Super 3.
( in a guitar that has a Super 3 in it, it's not about dynamics. it's about hilarious sustaining sludge.)

Cheap korean active pickups that I've tried have a SMOOTHER and WIDER dynamic response than most passives.
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

Death's Acre said:
Nope.

But on another note- WHY would you be using emgs for playing clean? I mean I can understand a few clean passages or something but nitpicking that they don't have enough dynamics played clean is like complaining that a high gain amp doesn't sound like a fender. They're made for use with a lot of gain, period.
Click to expand...
I use even more dynamics with high gain.
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

Heh...always a fun debate :rolleyes:

The "active" sound is not what *I* want, but I won't begrudge those who do.

I would be curious to know if most folks who like and use EMG's are running super high gain/detuned/lots of effects (or any combo of the 3)? This is where *I* think they come into their own.
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

vinterland said:
????????????? :smack:
Click to expand...
They start off VERY quiet and then jump to a noticably higher volume, after than you can get about twice the volume before compression.
Alot like a built in compander circuit.

They respond like VERY high resistance/intuctance humbuckers.

I once owned a Super 3, and it had a similar response, but less of a jump and more of a 'quick fade' into higher volumes.

it also had more sustain and a more even response overall.
Alot of compression in that thing, though.

If you want this, fine, but I hate it.

However, my ORIGINAL point was that if they indeed do mask alot of a guitar's character, but with TIME you'll hear the subtle differences, You should ask yourself: How much time does the audience have?
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

Wow, version 847 of the same old EMG arguments. When is anyone going to type a new argument either for or against EMG? The only thing older than EMG's preamp designs are TheGZues's arguments for why he doesn't like them. ;)

I respect your opinion, bro, but do try to make you critiques a little more objective. You're literally throwing your opinion around as though it were fact... and I've read it 100 times now. But not that it's your fault this time, after all, you did restrain until antagonized.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand... MetalMan666, if you were to do an A/B test with any identical pickups in guitars that similar in material and construction, I suspect your results wouldn't change much at all. While it's true that the EMG's preamp more or less blankets the wood's natural tone, the pups don't erase all indication of the natural tone of the instrument. The change may not be as evident had you compared a low output humbucker, such as a couple of PAFs, but there's still a noticable difference.
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

MikeS said:
Wow, version 847 of the same old EMG arguments. When is anyone going to type a new argument either for or against EMG? The only thing older than EMG's preamp designs are TheGZues's arguments for why he doesn't like them. ;)

I respect your opinion, bro, but do try to make you critiques a little more objective. You're literally throwing your opinion around as though it were fact... and I've read it 100 times now. But not that it's your fault this time, after all, you did restrain until antagonized.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand... MetalMan666, if you were to do an A/B test with any identical pickups in guitars that similar in material and construction, I suspect your results wouldn't change much at all. While it's true that the EMG's preamp more or less blankets the wood's natural tone, the pups don't erase all indication of the natural tone of the instrument. The change may not be as evident had you compared a low output humbucker, such as a couple of PAFs, but there's still a noticable difference.
Click to expand...


+1 on all counts
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

TheGZeus said:
I know exactlyt why the compression occurs.
Because that preamp was designed in the 1970s.
Click to expand...

Holy f*ck! The 70s! Nothing good ever came out of the 70s! I guess we should ditch all those old 70s Marshall and Fender amps too..... :rolleyes:


Anyway, your argument is old and tired, and you're making yourself look petty and pathetic.

But....you can keep going on if you want....
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

screamingdaisy said:
Holy f*ck! The 70s! Nothing good ever came out of the 70s! I guess we should ditch all those old 70s Marshall and Fender amps too..... :rolleyes:


Anyway, your argument is old and tired, and you're making yourself look petty and pathetic.

But....you can keep going on if you want....
Click to expand...


HOLY your from kingston. I'm like 45min away from you. :smack: :offtopic:
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

JeffB said:
Heh...always a fun debate :rolleyes:

The "active" sound is not what *I* want, but I won't begrudge those who do.

I would be curious to know if most folks who like and use EMG's are running super high gain/detuned/lots of effects (or any combo of the 3)? This is where *I* think they come into their own.
Click to expand...

high gain - yes

detuned - sometimes

lots of effects - Not really. Probably 90% of my high gain playing is with strait gain or gain+delay.

I also use the neck 60 alot for clean/bluesy rhythm and mildly overdriven leads.

I use the most effects with passives....mostly because I use alot of feedback when playing effects laden music, and passives have a much better feedback blossom and control to them.
 
Re: The EMG Legend is true!

screamingdaisy said:
...and passives have a much better feedback blossom and control to them.
Click to expand...
I agree with you big time.

TheGZeus said:
You should ask yourself: How much time does the audience have?
Click to expand...
I don't know... Metallica, Slayer, and Judas Priest's audiences all seem to have enough time.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

T
Help me understand EMG pickups
2
Replies
27
Views
1K
Rex_Rocker
Rex_Rocker
D
Is anyone here experienced with EMG?
2
Replies
30
Views
2K
Juanhanglo
J
belensky
The Humbucker Archive: DiMarzio, EMG, BKP, Suhr & Duncan Tested – My Notes & Comparison Samples (Long Read)
2
Replies
35
Views
2K
Artie
Artie
T
How exactly is this wired?
Replies
3
Views
141
Toejam
T
J
No Sound on 1st string on Hot Rodded set
2
Replies
30
Views
543
freefrog
freefrog
Back
Top