beaubrummels
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
So the foil is Karen will be conducting the experiment?
So the foil is Karen will be conducting the experiment?
The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
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It might be interesting to include another pickup in there as a baseline. Something slightly different like a Distortion (no mag swap). That would demonstrate the magnitude of the difference between the JBs - i.e. how different are they from each other relative to how different they are from another bitey high output pickup.
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Chistopher
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
But a Thrash Factor is just a standard production JB that fell of the assembly line is just the right way to make it different enough to be its own p'up. And the A5 DD could be an interesting side experiment that would benefit greatly from being compared to a wide range of JBs to help temporarily placate that debate.
But a Thrash Factor is just a standard production JB that fell of the assembly line is just the right way to make it different enough to be its own p'up. And the A5 DD could be an interesting side experiment that would benefit greatly from being compared to a wide range of JBs to help temporarily placate that debate.
Masta' C
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
"Hey man, what about a double-thick, degaussed A2-swapped, partially underwound, coil-tapped JBJ/JB hybrid with double rows of vintage hex poles?"
Seriously, peeps in this thread be trippin'.
If you want to capture the full spectrum and keep it simple:
1) '70s "The JB Model"
2) '80s "JBJ"
3) '80s non-JBJ (i.e. a JBL, JBP, JBM, etc)
4) Current production JB (non-TB4)
5) Roughcast A5 swap into the newer JB (to compare with "The JB Model", you don't even have to re-solder!)
Also, Aceman, do you have a guitar with the Liberator? Would make these swaps even easier
"Hey man, what about a double-thick, degaussed A2-swapped, partially underwound, coil-tapped JBJ/JB hybrid with double rows of vintage hex poles?"
Seriously, peeps in this thread be trippin'.
If you want to capture the full spectrum and keep it simple:
1) '70s "The JB Model"
2) '80s "JBJ"
3) '80s non-JBJ (i.e. a JBL, JBP, JBM, etc)
4) Current production JB (non-TB4)
5) Roughcast A5 swap into the newer JB (to compare with "The JB Model", you don't even have to re-solder!)
Also, Aceman, do you have a guitar with the Liberator? Would make these swaps even easier
Aceman
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Seriously? You expect me to find a JB made during the 90 days he was interesting?
Seriously? You expect me to find a JB made during the 90 days he was interesting?
MikeS
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
I'll add that I don't think one batch of clips is a large enough sample size. You need to record the same riff on the same model multiple times.
Riff A
Pickup 1, Take 1
Pickup 2, Take 1
Pickup 3, Take 1
But then occasionally throw in some placebos and see if anyone catches that you included the same pickup in multiple takes. That's where you'll catch a listener's confirmation bias.
Riff B
Pickup 1, Take 1
Pickup 2, Take 1
Pickup 1, Take 2
Riff C
Pickup 2, Take 1
Pickup 2, Take 2
Pickup 2, Take 3.
There's already a clip in this thread where differences could be heard. Subtle, but not indiscernible. Unless you're suggesting we're suffering from confirmation bias because the video tells us the pickups are different? Nonetheless, I'm stating that in that clip I could hear subtle differences, even under all that gain.
This, I mostly agree with. A lot of listeners aren't going to be familiar enough with all three versions to consistently match the tone to the pickup. I'll count myself among that group.
I'll add that I don't think one batch of clips is a large enough sample size. You need to record the same riff on the same model multiple times.
Riff A
Pickup 1, Take 1
Pickup 2, Take 1
Pickup 3, Take 1
But then occasionally throw in some placebos and see if anyone catches that you included the same pickup in multiple takes. That's where you'll catch a listener's confirmation bias.
Riff B
Pickup 1, Take 1
Pickup 2, Take 1
Pickup 1, Take 2
Riff C
Pickup 2, Take 1
Pickup 2, Take 2
Pickup 2, Take 3.
dystrust
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Your not liking (or knowing how to properly use) a microphone doesn't make it bad. The SM57 is an industry standard for electric guitar for a reason after all. Besides, what useful, discerning sound will be contained in the room reflections it doesn't pick up? Since this probably won't be recorded in a treated space, I'd much rather have the amp closed-mic'd so the room doesn't become another variable.
Your not liking (or knowing how to properly use) a microphone doesn't make it bad. The SM57 is an industry standard for electric guitar for a reason after all. Besides, what useful, discerning sound will be contained in the room reflections it doesn't pick up? Since this probably won't be recorded in a treated space, I'd much rather have the amp closed-mic'd so the room doesn't become another variable.
beaubrummels
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
But it will capture 140% of the sound a guitar puts out.
But it will capture 140% of the sound a guitar puts out.
Clint 55
OH THE DOUBLE THICK GLAZE!
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
The sound it records isn't an accurate recreation of what comes directly out of the amp either. You're right, it's occurring to me that I might not know how to 'properly use an sm57'. I was positive that stick the thing right in front of the speaker meant put the thing in the next room. It might take me a few days or weeks of reading to figure out what stick the thing right in front of the amp could mean. This is some advanced ****.
The sound it records isn't an accurate recreation of what comes directly out of the amp either. You're right, it's occurring to me that I might not know how to 'properly use an sm57'. I was positive that stick the thing right in front of the speaker meant put the thing in the next room. It might take me a few days or weeks of reading to figure out what stick the thing right in front of the amp could mean. This is some advanced ****.
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Yeah, that's all there is to it -- just put it in front of the speaker. Mic placement is so easy, that's why there's tons and tons of articles devoted to the subject, and guys who get good at it are able to command high prices for it, right?
Oh, and yeah, an SM57 totally isn't going to pick up changes to your precious "room sounds".... after all, the room sound is totally originating from something other than the speakers, and guitars have a ton of sonic information below 40Hz and above 15kHz.
Seriously, the lengths guitarists will go to in order to avoid blind testing, where they'd have to admit that they're at wine-tasting levels of "full of ****"...
Yeah, that's all there is to it -- just put it in front of the speaker. Mic placement is so easy, that's why there's tons and tons of articles devoted to the subject, and guys who get good at it are able to command high prices for it, right?
Oh, and yeah, an SM57 totally isn't going to pick up changes to your precious "room sounds".... after all, the room sound is totally originating from something other than the speakers, and guitars have a ton of sonic information below 40Hz and above 15kHz.
Seriously, the lengths guitarists will go to in order to avoid blind testing, where they'd have to admit that they're at wine-tasting levels of "full of ****"...
Clint 55
OH THE DOUBLE THICK GLAZE!
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
There's the axis of the cone to the edge of the speaker and the axis of right next to the grill up to maybe a foot back at the most. Lol!! So complex!! Get help.
There's the axis of the cone to the edge of the speaker and the axis of right next to the grill up to maybe a foot back at the most. Lol!! So complex!! Get help.
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beaubrummels
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The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Thus we have a new way to bias the test. If a 57 were aimed straight in to seam of the center cone right against the grill, all pickups will sound like Slash.
The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Thus we have a new way to bias the test. If a 57 were aimed straight in to seam of the center cone right against the grill, all pickups will sound like Slash.
