The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
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Peaveyologist
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Just an FYI. Since the invention of digital audio, the word "compression" has two distinct, and unrelated, definitions. One is "dynamic" compression. That's what radio stations do to music and your pedal does to your guitar or bass. Then there's "file" compression. That's what a "Zip file" does to text, or an MP3 encoder does to an audio file. A modern, well written MP3 encoder, (like the latest LAME encoder), does not introduce any dynamic compression into an audio file. If I made a hi-res MP3 file, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the original wav file in a blind A/B test. Or a sighted one for that matter.
On the other hand, YouTube is bad.
Just an FYI. Since the invention of digital audio, the word "compression" has two distinct, and unrelated, definitions. One is "dynamic" compression. That's what radio stations do to music and your pedal does to your guitar or bass. Then there's "file" compression. That's what a "Zip file" does to text, or an MP3 encoder does to an audio file. A modern, well written MP3 encoder, (like the latest LAME encoder), does not introduce any dynamic compression into an audio file. If I made a hi-res MP3 file, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the original wav file in a blind A/B test. Or a sighted one for that matter.
On the other hand, YouTube is bad.
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TVFV
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
You know, I really don’t have any problem picking out differences regarding sound on YouTube. I really think the compression thing is overblown. Also, most of you have already made up your mind before Ace bothered recording anything.
You know, I really don’t have any problem picking out differences regarding sound on YouTube. I really think the compression thing is overblown. Also, most of you have already made up your mind before Ace bothered recording anything.
beaubrummels
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
In data compression of audio files, detail in the high frequencies can get lost, depending on the target bit rate. The quality loss is audible when compared to the original audio file. A “lossless” format like FLAC might be able to reconstitute into the original wav file. But even the highest bit rate MP3 does not, IME.
Just an FYI. Since the invention of digital audio, the word "compression" has two distinct, and unrelated, definitions. One is "dynamic" compression. That's what radio stations do to music and your pedal does to your guitar or bass. Then there's "file" compression. That's what a "Zip file" does to text, or an MP3 encoder does to an audio file. A modern, well written MP3 encoder, (like the latest LAME encoder), does not introduce any dynamic compression into an audio file. If I made a hi-res MP3 file, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the original wav file in a blind A/B test. Or a sighted one for that matter.
On the other hand, YouTube is bad.
In data compression of audio files, detail in the high frequencies can get lost, depending on the target bit rate. The quality loss is audible when compared to the original audio file. A “lossless” format like FLAC might be able to reconstitute into the original wav file. But even the highest bit rate MP3 does not, IME.
Masta' C
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
At some point, this project is just something you do or don't do, regardless of how "perfect" everyone wants to make it.
The fact is that most listeners CAN pick out subtle differences in Zenmindbeginner's JB comparison YouTube video with half-decent headphones or computer speakers. Those of us with good hearing and even better audio equipment can pick up a LOT of differences. And that's through YouTube of all things.
I would say the rest of the important input (output?) comes down to the perceptions of the people playing the pickups in the room and in their hands, which sort of addresses what Clint 55 is worried about. This is why I thought it would be cool if, say, Mincer and Aceman were both to experience the different pickups first-hand, so they could give their thoughts and impressions. Even if they weren't entirely in agreement, it wouldn't matter, the "real world" info would still be useful and you're not relying on a single person's perceptions that way.
Also, Mincer, no one's looking for just '80s hair metal samples here. Some funk, some classical, some cool clean swells with light reverb...whatever goes. The more styles that get highlighted in the comparison, even if some of those "styles" are completely your own, the more listeners can get a real feel for the character of each pickup.
At some point, this project is just something you do or don't do, regardless of how "perfect" everyone wants to make it.
The fact is that most listeners CAN pick out subtle differences in Zenmindbeginner's JB comparison YouTube video with half-decent headphones or computer speakers. Those of us with good hearing and even better audio equipment can pick up a LOT of differences. And that's through YouTube of all things.
I would say the rest of the important input (output?) comes down to the perceptions of the people playing the pickups in the room and in their hands, which sort of addresses what Clint 55 is worried about. This is why I thought it would be cool if, say, Mincer and Aceman were both to experience the different pickups first-hand, so they could give their thoughts and impressions. Even if they weren't entirely in agreement, it wouldn't matter, the "real world" info would still be useful and you're not relying on a single person's perceptions that way.
Also, Mincer, no one's looking for just '80s hair metal samples here. Some funk, some classical, some cool clean swells with light reverb...whatever goes. The more styles that get highlighted in the comparison, even if some of those "styles" are completely your own, the more listeners can get a real feel for the character of each pickup.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
This right here...
We could argue "Well, a The JB won't be distinguishable from the JBJ if you are using a closed back 1x12 closed back EL34 with vintage Celestians vs EL84's and Texas heat in a 2x12 open back!!!" You guys are gonna start telling me about the relative humidity in Florida pretty soon....
An iPhone Direct to Facebook, or A close Senheiser center cone with a 40% mix of a 57 off-axis 1.5 ft away through a studio reference monitor into Protools....blah blah blah.
The only thing that will change will be the pickup.
You will name a believed favorite
You will pick a favorite sound
That sound is or is not your favorite
You can tell the differences between all the pickups reliably or not
This right here...
We could argue "Well, a The JB won't be distinguishable from the JBJ if you are using a closed back 1x12 closed back EL34 with vintage Celestians vs EL84's and Texas heat in a 2x12 open back!!!" You guys are gonna start telling me about the relative humidity in Florida pretty soon....
An iPhone Direct to Facebook, or A close Senheiser center cone with a 40% mix of a 57 off-axis 1.5 ft away through a studio reference monitor into Protools....blah blah blah.
The only thing that will change will be the pickup.
You will name a believed favorite
You will pick a favorite sound
That sound is or is not your favorite
You can tell the differences between all the pickups reliably or not
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dystrust
Well-known member
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
You're over simplifying. I'm not saying that the recording needs to be absolutely professional, but if the samples are recorded on an iPhone while standing in the middle of a garage, all of the them will sound like loud electric guitar.
You're over simplifying. I'm not saying that the recording needs to be absolutely professional, but if the samples are recorded on an iPhone while standing in the middle of a garage, all of the them will sound like loud electric guitar.
80's_Metal
Underglazed Hair Metalologist
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
That's giving him a lot of credit......ha ha ha that made me laugh for real.
That's giving him a lot of credit......ha ha ha that made me laugh for real.
Masta' C
Well-known member
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
What is this Riot/Dream/Solo vid thing you're working on? I missed that somewhere along the way...
What is this Riot/Dream/Solo vid thing you're working on? I missed that somewhere along the way...
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?340770-Coming-Soon!-Pedal-Shootout-Comparison
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?340770-Coming-Soon!-Pedal-Shootout-Comparison
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Brother I haven’t heard speak like that since sociology. I wish I could remember half of that
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Brother I haven’t heard speak like that since sociology. I wish I could remember half of that
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Clint 55
OH THE DOUBLE THICK GLAZE!
Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
His entire catalog is extremely reputable from a rawk, pop, grunge/punk standpoint. As long as ur not evaluating it from a megaclassical, epic fusion, jazz, shred, I only listen to 32nd notes standpoint, then it's legit as ****. Just get help.
His entire catalog is extremely reputable from a rawk, pop, grunge/punk standpoint. As long as ur not evaluating it from a megaclassical, epic fusion, jazz, shred, I only listen to 32nd notes standpoint, then it's legit as ****. Just get help.
beaubrummels
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Re: The JB "I call BS on everyone" thread
Maybe we need a separate Cobain “I call BS on everyone” thread
Maybe we need a separate Cobain “I call BS on everyone” thread
