The point of diminishing returns for guitar (Import vs MIA vs Custom Shop)

Re: The point of diminishing returns for guitar (Import vs MIA vs Custom Shop)

At what point do you feel you are reaching the point of diminishing returns in terms of guitars and pricing?

I typically start hitting the point of severely diminishing returns at around the $2000, which is usually at the upper end of production models and the low end of most "custom shop" lines. At this pricepoint, you are typically getting an instrument made of quality parts and materials, built with significant attention to detail by a well-paid luthier (American, Japanese, Korean; at this level they all have similar skill) who's judged on quality before quantity. The resulting instrument feels, plays and sounds like a true example of the luthier's art.

Now, understand that you don't necessarily have to spend $2000 for a good guitar, or even $1000. My $700 Taylor 114ce is prime evidence that the boys down in Tecate definitely know how to build a guitar. I have yet to spend more than a grand to own a guitar, though I've spent significant time with several excellent examples of both electrics and acoustics in this $1000-$2000 "butter zone" of quality versus cost, and can appreciate the superior QA and materials, and thus the reduced time having to search through the examples to find a specimen where it all came together. Conversely, you can spend serious money and end up with a piece of junk; apparently FMIC has let QA lapse on its MIA production guitars again, which is a shame, as it looked like they'd turned it around in the mid-2000s and were building some quality axes. I cordially dislike Gibson for much the same reason; their USA guitars just haven't made me sit up and take notice, compared to what you can get for a third of the cost from Epiphone.

Above the $2000 pricepoint, things continue to improve, mainly in the materials quality and the skill of the luthier, but you start getting into a level of detail where the specific individual trees that the guitar's wood came from, and the weather on the day the guitar was assembled and when it was finished, matters more to the final feel and sound than any direct action by the luthier while putting it together. You also start getting into a pricepoint where the guitar has to look like it cost what you paid for it, and that usually means bling; detailed, intricate MOP inlays, binding everywhere, custom-airbrushed artwork on the lower bout. These guitars frankly start looking like something you'd expect to find in an antique store as a wall-hanger. Not my thing, so I have a second disincentive to spend that much besides the pure cost.
 
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Give me a Gibson Les Paul with a DiMarzio Super Distortion or a Duncan Custom in it, with a good tube amp and I'm happy.
 
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Ive played a variety of guitars from cheap to pricey. IMO, in most cases, once you get to a certain pricepoint, you can get a very giggable guitar. I see many guys gigging with LTDs and SE's and similar any more as they are very capable guitars and alot less risky to take on the road. And, in my experience, most of the time it seems that once you pass a certain price point or threshold, the additional cost is mostly for either fancier appointments or bling. I have a Charvel USA and a Japanese made Charvel. They are VERY close in tone and playability.
 
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Excellent post. I always appreciate your POV... :) Are you playing two Custom Shop LPs now?

Yes.

And FWIW... in the long run they're probably saving me a fortune. When I walk into a guitar store and look at what's on the shelf I know they have nothing that can touch what I already have. It's a total GAS killer.
 
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Yes.

And FWIW... in the long run they're probably saving me a fortune. When I walk into a guitar store and look at what's on the shelf I know they have nothing that can touch what I already have. It's a total GAS killer.

I feel the same way about my USA Soloist. I haven't bought another guitar in seven years, partly because of that Jackson. Sure there are less expensive guitars that are awesome that I'd totally get a kick out of, but sometimes I think, "What's the point if it's not as good as the Soloist?"
 
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I feel the same way about my USA Soloist. I haven't bought another guitar in seven years, partly because of that Jackson. Sure there are less expensive guitars that are awesome that I'd totally get a kick out of, but sometimes I think, "What's the point if it's not as good as the Soloist?"

Your Soloist isn't the perfect guitar for everything, no guitar is. You can find guitars that can do some things better than it does. Variety is the spice of life, baby.
 
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There are too many angles to consider. From an end user point of view there are beginner players who see unable to differentiate between a $2500 Taylor and a $200 Epiphone. Then there are people who just wantto own a $10,000 thing who cannot even play but they buy an expensive guitar (so the own it). And then there are those who will spend a lot of money buying a well made guitar and then a lot more money re-configuring the guitar. Too many different kinds of end-users. Now from a company point of view there is s saying that there is a buyer for every (guitar, car, horse, whit elephant and it seems there is .. sooner or later somebody will buy almost anything. even broken guitars and striped out guitars will sell. So I think it is a GOOD QUESTION and probably most of us wonder (just as the thread does0 but .. the answer is unavailable.
 
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To me, it's more simple than all that. Buy guitars that you love, and then do what you want to them.
 
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Your Soloist isn't the perfect guitar for everything, no guitar is. You can find guitars that can do some things better than it does. Variety is the spice of life, baby.

It's about the quality. I don't need more good guitars that don't knock my socks off every time I pick them up. When I get around to buying a Telecaster or another LP, I want them to be of the quality the Soloist is. Equal magnitude, different direction. And before you start, it's not about price -- it's about being awesome.
 
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I feel the same way about my USA Soloist. I haven't bought another guitar in seven years, partly because of that Jackson. Sure there are less expensive guitars that are awesome that I'd totally get a kick out of, but sometimes I think, "What's the point if it's not as good as the Soloist?"

Your Soloist isn't the perfect guitar for everything, no guitar is. You can find guitars that can do some things better than it does. Variety is the spice of life, baby.

Somewhere between these two lies the truth.

Some guitars put a big grin on your face every time that you take them out of the case. You feel obliged to play to your highest standard. Something about these instruments (literally) resonates with you.

Unfortunately, the only person who will appreciate the tactile aspects of a high end instrument is the one playing it.

Most humans form judgements based on appearances. Shown, for the sake of argument, photographs of a Gibson SG Supreme and a well-used '61 SG Junior then asked which guitar they imagine would be "more exciting", most folks are going to plump for the colourful one with all of the bling.
 
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Most humans form judgements based on appearances. Shown, for the sake of argument, photographs of a Gibson SG Supreme and a well-used '61 SG Junior then asked which guitar they imagine would be "more exciting", most folks are going to plump for the colourful one with all of the bling.

And the problem with that would be...?
 
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I put more time than money into my guitars. That's all that matters. (Either playing, or modding.)
 
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I put more time than money into my guitars. That's all that matters. (Either playing, or modding.)
That's a given for me... :) An hour's worth of practice time goes way further for me than the equivalent hourly wage would go to improving any guitar. Same goes for time used for setting up the guitar. However, I was coming at it from the point of view that no matter how cheap or expensive the guitar is, it's setup the best it can be. And of course the player is common across all your guitars. ;)

From your collection it is pretty obvious that you value having a vast variety of guitars with various pickup options. :)
 
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I've been thinking about making some changes to my gear lately and this thread has addressed some of the issues that I've been considering during the process.

I have a number of "okay" guitars that I've collected during the years; I play mostly USA Strats. I keep a few b/c I like to have various pickup configs for different tones. The thing is, I've owned many of them (off and on) over the last 20 years, and even within the USA Standard model they are all different. Out of that group maybe 5 of them have been outstanding and one of those was built from a USA artist sig body and an AS neck.

As a side note, one of my favorite Strats is Korean made and tonally destroys about 90% of the other guitars I've owned. Awesome bang for the buck.

All that said my experience has taught me that one should buy what speaks to them. It may be a USA, import, custom shop or whatever variation. The confusing part about all this is that I'm not sure how to address that from a diminishing returns perspective and it would be really nice to be able to do so. I'm not sure there's any way to measure that with so much subjectivity on what is good (etc) in play. It's player to player, piece to piece. In general of course there may be more attention to fret work on a USA Strat vs a Mexican model, for example, but sometimes a guitar has just the right wood/material combo that it's geographical location at fabrication doesn't matter all that much. IMHO of course.
 
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Farkus, maybe you are trying to say we should buy and play what speaks to us and not worry about dimishing returns as we buy em to play and not as collectors...?? If so, good point. Some of my fav guitars are not my big money ones, but ones Ive bought for little and made improvements on. I believe, and history has shown, great music can be made on inexpensive guitars. I just wonder where the threshold is for a good guitar? I mean, is a $10K prs really better than a $3k prs? or just more frills?
 
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