The problem with pickup logos.

[Top-L]

I learn something new every day.

In a H-S-H Ibanez guitar with a RWRP pickup in the middle, positions 2 and 4 are hum cancelling when the middle single is combined with the north humbucker coil.

In the 4 position, if you want the coils adjacent, you have to flip the humbucker. If there is a logo you can't do this without it looking foolish.


(BTW I just had a major sense of Deja Vu while writing this.)

 

[ErikH]

You can always rewire it so the adjacent coil is active without having to flip it around.

 

[Top-L]

You can always rewire it so the adjacent coil is active without having to flip it around.

The south coil won't be hum cancelling with the middle afaict.

 

[GuitarStv]

Sharpie over the logo.

 

[Mincer]

Can you flip the magnet?

 

[Top-L]

Can you flip the magnet?

I don't know. Isn't that something you would know?

Does flipping a magnet change polarity?

 

[beaubrummels]

I don't know. Isn't that something you would know?

Does flipping a magnet change polarity?

It changes the magnetic polarity relative to the middle. (Ba-dum-bump. Hey, you're a good crowd. I'll be here all week.). :banana:

(Actually, that should solve the problem.)

The other way, I believe, is to reverse the series link and hot/ground. On a Duncan, I believe it's black/green become the series link and red becomes hot and white becomes ground? (Don't quote me on that, I've never done it myself, but I've just seen it done in diagrams and wiring seen on here.)

 

[Chistopher]

The other way, I believe, is to reverse the series link and hot/ground. On a Duncan, I believe it's black/green become the series link and red becomes hot and white becomes ground? (Don't quote me on that, I've never done it myself, but I've just seen it done in diagrams and wiring seen on here.)

This works but the humbucker by itself will no longer be noiseless.

 

[beaubrummels]

This works but the humbucker by itself will no longer be noiseless.

I think it's still humbucking? It's just electrically reversing the flow through the coils, changing polarity like flipping the magnet. I'll have to read up, I haven't heard anyone say it wasn't humbucking after doing it.

 

[jeremy]

if you do it right, its still humbucking.

 

[Top-L]

I think it's still humbucking? It's just electrically reversing the flow through the coils, changing polarity like flipping the magnet. I'll have to read up, I haven't heard anyone say it wasn't humbucking after doing it.

Thats not going to change the polarity.

Only one coils of the humbucking pickup is opposite polarity from the middle coil. It has nothing to do with the flow of current.

From my testing, the north coil of both Duncan and Dimarzio pickups are opposite the polarity of a reverse middle. Which means that the bridge north coil and middle will be hum cancelling. If you want hum cancelling with the neck pickup, its also the north coil, which if you spin the pickup will be adjacent to the middle.

If flipping the magnet solves the problem, then that is OK because on SD pickups you can easily flip the magnet. On Dimarzio pickups you can't flip the magnet, but neither do they have a logo.

 

[ErikH]

When splitting Duncans, neck or bridge, they split to the slug coil. That's with the default wiring; black = hot, green/bare = ground, red/white twisted together (wire to switch connecting to ground for split). I believe DiMarzios do the same (split to the inner coil by default, but different color combo).

What guitar is it that splits the neck to the north coil? Not all do. The RG550 for example splits the neck pickup to the adjacent coil of the middle pickup. IDK if the S1 in the middle is RWRP or not though.

Note: In the current Ibanez lineup, the only one I see on their site that splits the neck pickup to the north coil is the S671ALB, and that comes with Fishman Fluence pickups. Every other HSH split to the south.

 

[Aceman]

Custom Shop or Q-tip & Nail Polish remover. I know that is kinda a range, but either way you are good.

 

[Top-L]

When splitting Duncans, neck or bridge, they split to the slug coil. That's with the default wiring; black = hot, green/bare = ground, red/white twisted together (wire to switch connecting to ground for split). I believe DiMarzios do the same (split to the inner coil by default, but different color combo).

What guitar is it that splits the neck to the north coil? Not all do. The RG550 for example splits the neck pickup to the adjacent coil of the middle pickup. IDK if the S1 in the middle is RWRP or not though.

Note: In the current Ibanez lineup, the only one I see on their site that splits the neck pickup to the north coil is the S671ALB, and that comes with Fishman Fluence pickups. Every other HSH split to the south.

You can split to either coil depending on how you wire it.

In position 4, the neck north coil is opposite the middle, so they will be hum cancelling. If you can spin the pickup around they will be adjacent.

If you split to the south coil it will not be hum cancelling no matter how it is oriented.

Dimarzios dont have a logo so its not an issue with them.

 

[ErikH]

You can split to either coil depending on how you wire it.

In position 4, the neck north coil is opposite the middle, so they will be hum cancelling. If you can spin the pickup around they will be adjacent.

If you split to the south coil it will not be hum cancelling no matter how it is oriented.

Dimarzios dont have a logo so its not an issue with them.

I get all that. What guitar are we talking about here? Is it wired stock from factory with stock electronics or did you change pickups out?

 

[Top-L]

I get all that. What guitar are we talking about here? Is it wired stock from factory with stock electronics or did you change pickups out?

There is a stock middle ibanez reverse polarity.

I could go with Dimarzios or Duncans. Then I realized my Custom5/Jazz set, if I go with that, I can't spin the neck pickup around because of the logo.

Still want confirmation if reversing the magnet in the Duncan would change polarity.

 

[beaubrummels]

There is a stock middle ibanez reverse polarity.

I could go with Dimarzios or Duncans. Then I realized my Custom5/Jazz set, if I go with that, I can't spin the neck pickup around because of the logo.

Still want confirmation if reversing the magnet in the Duncan would change polarity.

That's how Mincer solved the problem on his guitar. Even wrote an article about it.
https://web.archive.org/web/2015042...ll-2-humbuckers-and-a-5-way-switch#more-26332

These threads/article might prove enlightening.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...orite-wiring-for-hh-with-a-5-way-super-switch
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...e-magnet-flip-the-phase?p=5624246#post5624246

https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/pickup-polarity-and-phase-made-simple
https://web.archive.org/web/2015041...garage/pickup-polarity-and-phase-made-simple/

 

[Wound_Up]

I learn something new every day.

In a H-S-H Ibanez guitar with a RWRP pickup in the middle, positions 2 and 4 are hum cancelling when the middle single is combined with the north humbucker coil.

In the 4 position, if you want the coils adjacent, you have to flip the humbucker. If there is a logo you can't do this without it looking foolish.


(BTW I just had a major sense of Deja Vu while writing this.)

I think the deal here is that you think an upside down pickup looks "foolish". 99% of people who see a guitar with an upside down pickup logo likely wouldn't care. And a majority of those people probably wouldn't ever notice it's even upside down.

Most people are too self-centered, self-absorbed, and too busy in their own little bubble to notice small, inconsequential details such as that. That and they can't look up from their phones long enough to notice.

 

[ErikH]

Remove the logo? I’ve done that before when I flipped a WLH neck around. Not a big deal.

 

[Top-L]

I think the deal here is that you think an upside down pickup looks "foolish". 99% of people who see a guitar with an upside down pickup logo likely wouldn't care. And a majority of those people probably wouldn't ever notice it's even upside down.

Most people are too self-centered, self-absorbed, and too busy in their own little bubble to notice small, inconsequential details such as that. That and they can't look up from their phones long enough to notice.

I don't care what anyone else thinks. I personally think it looks foolish and wouldn't be happy with the SD logo facing the other way.