The real pickups behind Van Halen 78 album tone's and others.
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Pat_rocks_and_rolls
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Hi, i mean i think you can perhaps be right however don't forget that the shark has alnico 8 magnets which tend to sound like ceramic. The songs using tremolo aren't this harsh sounding which mean it should be a weaker magnet in the frankenstrat. You can hear that i'm the one is way cleaner than running with the devil. What i heard is that when eddie went to duncan's shop with the original paf it was damaged and seymour duncan rewound it. Eddie wasn't happy because it sounded different. Then he used a dimarzio PAF as a substitute. When the floyd rose became a thing in 1979 eddie used it, PAF style pickups weren't sounding good with the floyd. He decided to change over a dimarzio super distortion and put the paf magnet in it, Then he asked seymour duncan to make him the same pickup for his frankie. the advertisement is from october 1979 which corresponds the year eddies began to use the floyd rose. moreover i'm sure seymound duncan would never sell the exact thing even in the past.
But who knows only eddie and seymour duncan know.
However i own a 78 model and a duncan custom and for i'm the one which is a vibrato bar song it sound way closer with the 78 model.
don't forget Van halen 1
all the songs using the vibrato bar = 1 pickup = the frankenstrat
all the song non using vibrato bar (running with the devil for example) = 2 pickup ibanez super 70's. = the ibanez shark destroyer
Van halen 1 it's 2 guitars and running with the devil was played with the shark destroyer wich had alnico 8 magnets which can be close sounding to ceramic pickups.
Your sound sample of running with the devil and jamie's crying are using the same pickup. However the records were done mostly with the shark and the frankies which makes 3 humbuckers not only 1.
Hi, i mean i think you can perhaps be right however don't forget that the shark has alnico 8 magnets which tend to sound like ceramic. The songs using tremolo aren't this harsh sounding which mean it should be a weaker magnet in the frankenstrat. You can hear that i'm the one is way cleaner than running with the devil. What i heard is that when eddie went to duncan's shop with the original paf it was damaged and seymour duncan rewound it. Eddie wasn't happy because it sounded different. Then he used a dimarzio PAF as a substitute. When the floyd rose became a thing in 1979 eddie used it, PAF style pickups weren't sounding good with the floyd. He decided to change over a dimarzio super distortion and put the paf magnet in it, Then he asked seymour duncan to make him the same pickup for his frankie. the advertisement is from october 1979 which corresponds the year eddies began to use the floyd rose. moreover i'm sure seymound duncan would never sell the exact thing even in the past.
But who knows only eddie and seymour duncan know.
However i own a 78 model and a duncan custom and for i'm the one which is a vibrato bar song it sound way closer with the 78 model.
don't forget Van halen 1
all the songs using the vibrato bar = 1 pickup = the frankenstrat
all the song non using vibrato bar (running with the devil for example) = 2 pickup ibanez super 70's. = the ibanez shark destroyer
Van halen 1 it's 2 guitars and running with the devil was played with the shark destroyer wich had alnico 8 magnets which can be close sounding to ceramic pickups.
Your sound sample of running with the devil and jamie's crying are using the same pickup. However the records were done mostly with the shark and the frankies which makes 3 humbuckers not only 1.
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metalchurch79
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The Floyd wasn't avail until 1983, late 1982 at best.
The Floyd wasn't avail until 1983, late 1982 at best.
51501984
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Ed had a Floyd on the Bee guitar in 1979 then on the Frankie and Star guitar in 1980 , the Bee is pictured in post #2 . The fine tuners for the Floyd probably came out around 1982 cause on the Diver Down ‘82 tour he had a Floyd with fine tuners
Ed had a Floyd on the Bee guitar in 1979 then on the Frankie and Star guitar in 1980 , the Bee is pictured in post #2 . The fine tuners for the Floyd probably came out around 1982 cause on the Diver Down ‘82 tour he had a Floyd with fine tuners
metalchurch79
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Yea he got one of the first if not the first fine tuner Floyds and Brad Gillis got #3 if I remember correctly. I thought that's the version that was being referenced. I see what you guys are talking about now. Thank you
Yea he got one of the first if not the first fine tuner Floyds and Brad Gillis got #3 if I remember correctly. I thought that's the version that was being referenced. I see what you guys are talking about now. Thank you
Chistopher
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While I am no EVH history expert, much of what I know disagrees with the underlined portion of your post. I'm sure someone else could possibly argue with it, but I don't quite have all my ducks in a row to try and poke holes in it.
Oh, and I heard an interesting theory that you guys might like about EVH. Everybody knows the Eddie put the neck pickup in Frankie to try and throw everybody off about his magic guitar, but I've seen interesting proof that he had it as part of his guitar for a time. Photos from his show in Largo '82 show that the neck pickup is clearly wired in, and in a mess of electrical tape by the volume pot their appears to be some sort of switch.
Even if you don't have the best ears, you can listen to some of the recordings (Somebody Get Me A Doctor is a good example there's a pop, Eddie makes a funny face, and then his tone changes) what distinctly sounds like a bridge humbucker in parallel with a single coil.
I swear, everytime a thread like this pops up I find a new theory. We need to have a single cohesive thread that gets put into the vault about Eddie.
our above assertion of the Alnico 8 magnet being similar to a ceramic magnet is incorrect. While both magnets are loud and have a solid bottom end, an A8 has much fuller mids and smoother high end with the ceramic having a faster attack with more stiffness.
While I am no EVH history expert, much of what I know disagrees with the underlined portion of your post. I'm sure someone else could possibly argue with it, but I don't quite have all my ducks in a row to try and poke holes in it.
Oh, and I heard an interesting theory that you guys might like about EVH. Everybody knows the Eddie put the neck pickup in Frankie to try and throw everybody off about his magic guitar, but I've seen interesting proof that he had it as part of his guitar for a time. Photos from his show in Largo '82 show that the neck pickup is clearly wired in, and in a mess of electrical tape by the volume pot their appears to be some sort of switch.
Even if you don't have the best ears, you can listen to some of the recordings (Somebody Get Me A Doctor is a good example there's a pop, Eddie makes a funny face, and then his tone changes) what distinctly sounds like a bridge humbucker in parallel with a single coil.
I swear, everytime a thread like this pops up I find a new theory. We need to have a single cohesive thread that gets put into the vault about Eddie.
LLL
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As in "Jump"? Oberheim.
As in "Jump"? Oberheim.
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When Eddie did the first interview for guitar player magazine and he talked about he didn’t like dimarzio pickups because they were to distorted that interview was done after the first album was recorded so I believe he used that pickup for Van Halen 1 and for Van Halen 2 he switched to a less output humbucker because Van Halen 1 has a lot more edge sizzle then Van Halen 2.Ed talked about taking a dimarzio pickup and putting a paf magnet( alnico 2 or?)but that was After Van Halen 1 was recorded in 1977 and released in 1978.So for Ed to say the Dimarzio was to distorted he had to use it or try it.
When Eddie did the first interview for guitar player magazine and he talked about he didn’t like dimarzio pickups because they were to distorted that interview was done after the first album was recorded so I believe he used that pickup for Van Halen 1 and for Van Halen 2 he switched to a less output humbucker because Van Halen 1 has a lot more edge sizzle then Van Halen 2.Ed talked about taking a dimarzio pickup and putting a paf magnet( alnico 2 or?)but that was After Van Halen 1 was recorded in 1977 and released in 1978.So for Ed to say the Dimarzio was to distorted he had to use it or try it.
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JB6464
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I don't believe anything Ed has said in the past or present , his stories change like the wind blows , in all directions .
The best tone I liked was when he did the 5150 /LWAN tour .
Best tour and amp setup before the crap he uses now .
I don't believe anything Ed has said in the past or present , his stories change like the wind blows , in all directions .
The best tone I liked was when he did the 5150 /LWAN tour .
Best tour and amp setup before the crap he uses now .
Artie
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I was thinking along these same lines. I love his tone and style. I question his memory.
I was thinking along these same lines. I love his tone and style. I question his memory.
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I think he deliberately lied a lot, as everyone at that time was trying to copy him. People, even today, search for the right combination of special gear only he had access to back then. Which of course, never existed.
I was thinking along these same lines. I love his tone and style. I question his memory.
I think he deliberately lied a lot, as everyone at that time was trying to copy him. People, even today, search for the right combination of special gear only he had access to back then. Which of course, never existed.
Lovegun
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Maybe with the Ehx Synth9 pedal it seems to have Oberheim on it. Been gassing for this pedal for some time.
Isn't there another Destroyer on VH records like Women And Children First that Eddie borrowed from Chris Holmes of W.A.S.P.
Maybe with the Ehx Synth9 pedal it seems to have Oberheim on it. Been gassing for this pedal for some time.
Isn't there another Destroyer on VH records like Women And Children First that Eddie borrowed from Chris Holmes of W.A.S.P.
Re: The real pickups behind Van Halen 78 album tone's and others.
We can only speculate on Edwards pickups if they were rewound before or after the recording of Van Halen 1, which was recorded in 1977 and released in 1978.All the EVH pickup aftermarket in my opinion is just market which came in 2000(year).Edwards first interview 1978,talking about his gear was before or after the first album was recorded??
We can only speculate on Edwards pickups if they were rewound before or after the recording of Van Halen 1, which was recorded in 1977 and released in 1978.All the EVH pickup aftermarket in my opinion is just market which came in 2000(year).Edwards first interview 1978,talking about his gear was before or after the first album was recorded??
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https://youtu.be/mP8MopeZULo Here’s a Gibson 57 classic plus.Romeo Delight off of Women and Children First
https://youtu.be/mP8MopeZULo Here’s a Gibson 57 classic plus.Romeo Delight off of Women and Children First
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Masta' C
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Masta' C
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First, not a stalker...I've been a regular for 11 years and you just barely decided to come around again, so you entered MY world. You're the one lurking and trolling EVH on every forum you haven't yet been banned on (although you came close last time...a former SDUGF mod wanted to ban you SO badly)
Second, I have more knowledge than you know. Your problem is that you don't believe anyone else can have "knowledge" other than you
Third, I AM interested in this stuff. But, I remain confused as to why you have 3 threads going where you're talking about the Gibson 57+/Super 57? You've posted this video in at least 2 of them. I'm also not sure what the video has to do with "the real pickups behind Van Halen 78 album tone" when, according to yourself, they couldn't have been what he used then? I can find tons of guys with great early VH tones using pickups that weren't available at the time...but that's not the point of this thread, is it?
First, not a stalker...I've been a regular for 11 years and you just barely decided to come around again, so you entered MY world. You're the one lurking and trolling EVH on every forum you haven't yet been banned on (although you came close last time...a former SDUGF mod wanted to ban you SO badly)
Second, I have more knowledge than you know. Your problem is that you don't believe anyone else can have "knowledge" other than you
Third, I AM interested in this stuff. But, I remain confused as to why you have 3 threads going where you're talking about the Gibson 57+/Super 57? You've posted this video in at least 2 of them. I'm also not sure what the video has to do with "the real pickups behind Van Halen 78 album tone" when, according to yourself, they couldn't have been what he used then? I can find tons of guys with great early VH tones using pickups that weren't available at the time...but that's not the point of this thread, is it?
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You still are confused and you come across like a smart ass people see that, you were on metro amp and you came across the sameway,don’t worry about me being banned stick to the topic.If your confused oh well. You leaned a lot from me but your not honest with yourself or others you use others knowledge as if you came up with it, very dishonest.
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You still are confused and you come across like a smart ass people see that, you were on metro amp and you came across the sameway,don’t worry about me being banned stick to the topic.If your confused oh well. You leaned a lot from me but your not honest with yourself or others you use others knowledge as if you came up with it, very dishonest.
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