The super distortion: New vs old?
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gOgIver
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Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
One difference, the originals were unpotted.
For me the newer ones just seem too hard edged in tone and have way too much output.
To me the Super Distortion "S" version sounds more like the 70's & 80's Super Distortion full size pickup than the "newer" ones do.
One difference, the originals were unpotted.
For me the newer ones just seem too hard edged in tone and have way too much output.
To me the Super Distortion "S" version sounds more like the 70's & 80's Super Distortion full size pickup than the "newer" ones do.
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
Yeah i can get on board with the wax potting changing the tone but what about the increased output of the newer ones? why would that be?
Andrew Lamprecht
Minion of One
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
I have tried an older one (late 70s?) and a production model from 07 or something. They were both in Explorers... The newer one just sounded a little hotter but they were (like orpheo said) both undeniably a sd.
I have tried an older one (late 70s?) and a production model from 07 or something. They were both in Explorers... The newer one just sounded a little hotter but they were (like orpheo said) both undeniably a sd.
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
i wonder:scratchch i dont have a old and new to do a comparision but since a few on this thread already have said there is a slight difference but only minimal, i can live with that.
i wonder:scratchch i dont have a old and new to do a comparision but since a few on this thread already have said there is a slight difference but only minimal, i can live with that.
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
nice info how weres the older ceramics made? are they available anymore?
this would explain a sweetness factor or output issue between the two.
I learned from blueman that mags are crucial to the tone:approve:
nice info how weres the older ceramics made? are they available anymore?
this would explain a sweetness factor or output issue between the two.
I learned from blueman that mags are crucial to the tone:approve:
lazyfinger
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Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
I guess you call up Dimarzio. As mentioned, may be the old ones weren't fully charged to capacity. Like alnicos, ceramic has variations, I recently learned that ceramic 1 and other weaker ones are unoriented kind, whereas 5 and 8 are oriented.
I guess you call up Dimarzio. As mentioned, may be the old ones weren't fully charged to capacity. Like alnicos, ceramic has variations, I recently learned that ceramic 1 and other weaker ones are unoriented kind, whereas 5 and 8 are oriented.
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
I did and steve blucher insisted that all components and materials are the same, except thre older verison was not wax potted and used braided 2 conductor wire. But just from that UTOOB vid i hear a difference so may the combo of wax potting and a weaker ceramic is the key?
I did and steve blucher insisted that all components and materials are the same, except thre older verison was not wax potted and used braided 2 conductor wire. But just from that UTOOB vid i hear a difference so may the combo of wax potting and a weaker ceramic is the key?
ex-250
Riffologist Extraordinaire
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
You can obviously account for the difference in sound by black vs. cream. Duh.
You can obviously account for the difference in sound by black vs. cream. Duh.
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
Hey you mock but even seymour has said he has talked to players that said that a black PAF does not sound as good as a cream one!:banghead: LMFAO
Hey you mock but even seymour has said he has talked to players that said that a black PAF does not sound as good as a cream one!:banghead: LMFAO
gOgIver
New member
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
If you want to go down the rabbit hole search for one of the early threads on this board when the VPAF/VHPAF came out. There is a link to a review from a guitar magazine where the reviewer swaps out his 70's SuperD from his 70's Les Paul Custom and writes that the V/VHPAF is nearly identical in output to the 70's SuperD.
If you want to go down the rabbit hole search for one of the early threads on this board when the VPAF/VHPAF came out. There is a link to a review from a guitar magazine where the reviewer swaps out his 70's SuperD from his 70's Les Paul Custom and writes that the V/VHPAF is nearly identical in output to the 70's SuperD.
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
That reviewer has tp put down the pipe! The VHpaf and Vpaf were both almost HALF the output of any super d that is workin right
super D 425mv
VHpaf 265mv
Vpaf 230mv
.:cool2:
That reviewer has tp put down the pipe! The VHpaf and Vpaf were both almost HALF the output of any super d that is workin right
super D 425mv
VHpaf 265mv
Vpaf 230mv
.:cool2:
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
I think the old Wire could be responsible for some of the aged sound, not only the magnets. Mmm hmmm.
I think the old Wire could be responsible for some of the aged sound, not only the magnets. Mmm hmmm.
51501984
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Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
At work drug testing made me put down the pipe but that's another story. In 04 I swapped out the stock pups in my Wolfgang Standard with Dimarzio virtual paf bridge and neck models. I was really surprised because the output really didn't seem much lower with the Dimarzios
At work drug testing made me put down the pipe but that's another story. In 04 I swapped out the stock pups in my Wolfgang Standard with Dimarzio virtual paf bridge and neck models. I was really surprised because the output really didn't seem much lower with the Dimarzios
Re: The super distortion: New vs old?
I worked at the magnet factory in Queens NY that supplied the magnets for Dimarzio pickups in the 70's. The company name was Permag magnetics. The factory was located on Jamaica ave and the VanWyck expressway. Here the ceramic and alnico magnets were cut from larger blocks and rods.Then they were grinded ,polished and magnetized. All this work was done by hand before computers and automation. Permag was sold in 1985. The material used and the way which the magnets were manufactured is not the same as today. Whenever Dimarzio would make a trip from Staten Island to pick up his order, he would bring me pickups. I still have my Super Distortion, SDS1 and X2n. I left the factory in 1979.
I worked at the magnet factory in Queens NY that supplied the magnets for Dimarzio pickups in the 70's. The company name was Permag magnetics. The factory was located on Jamaica ave and the VanWyck expressway. Here the ceramic and alnico magnets were cut from larger blocks and rods.Then they were grinded ,polished and magnetized. All this work was done by hand before computers and automation. Permag was sold in 1985. The material used and the way which the magnets were manufactured is not the same as today. Whenever Dimarzio would make a trip from Staten Island to pick up his order, he would bring me pickups. I still have my Super Distortion, SDS1 and X2n. I left the factory in 1979.
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