The Vintage Modern is no more

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UMD, you are a drama queen, and I Was absolutely right, you are clueless AND want to argue.


I will be happy to offer up some proof of my claims as soon as you offer some in regards to your initial statement about Marshall prroducing the VM in China. Which is the statement I initially countered.
 
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UMD, you are a drama queen, and I Was absolutely right, you are clueless AND want to argue.


I will be happy to offer up some proof of my claims as soon as you offer some in regards to your initial statement about Marshall prroducing the VM in China. Which is the statement I initially countered.

Ha! I don't need to regard my initial statement because it was just sarcasm. LOL! I guess that went right over your head as if my distaste for cheaply made, merely for-profit foreign products wasn't obvious enough.
 
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Perhaps more seriously than someone with a Pikachu avatar. After all, Reagan was a war hero and popular two-term president. He once said something like "The best social program is a job." Some media, ignorant people and politicians took that out of context to mean that he was against social programs. However, Ronald Reagan was an effective president for the economy and that statement meant that people needed jobs not handouts, and that the economy was priority above politics. You should reconsider whatever it is you believe that causes you to make such an ignorant statement, and learn something about history and government because all your post amounts to is a pitiful jab.

If you think that the changes that Reagan made for both the state of California and the nation as a whole were positive, you obviously don't know anything. I should know something about history and government - it's what I do.
 
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If you think that the changes that Reagan made for both the state of California and the nation as a whole were positive, you obviously don't know anything. I should know something about history and government - it's what I do.

I'm not going to get into politics here, but if that's what you do then I feel sorry for the unsuspecting students that you indoctrinate with your skewed, biased, and contrived historical perspectives.
 
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lol you're so predictable

Conservatives gonna conserve



Yeah. He was also an actor. They're equally as noteworthy.

Reagan was a puppet for corporate interests.

Ha! Thus the true person is revealed. Like I said, I'm not going to get into politics with you. You're not very smart, but you apparently know enough to know that such a discussion would end in me getting an infraction and you getting away with it. I'll just walk away with the satisfaction of knowing that I know exactly what kind of person you are and what you're made of. You lack a fundamental understanding of economics, among many other subjects, and you have a distaste for truth. You have drank from a contaminated well all of your life, thus you are incapable of appreciating pure water.

So much for the Vintage Modern discussion I guess. I'm out.
 
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Dudes! I'm active in the Liberal Party of Norway, and therefore mildly put very interested in politics, but what the heck is politics doing in this thread!?

To get things back on topic: I got really bummed out when I read the confirmation of the cancellation of the VM line on the Marshall forum. My 2266C is the only amp that has gotten me excited since testing the Orange Rockerverb MK I and deciding that it was far too expensive back in 2007 or 2008. Then again, I sort of see why it failed. I enjoy using slightly vintage sounding amps in a death metal context, amps with a simple knob layout, and amps that are designed to clean up nicely when you roll back the volume on the guitar. Those kinds of amps won't really find a good consumer group in the 4 channel, switchable dual master volume market we've got today, unless they're sold by really boutique brands that already have a die hard following.

I'd wish my 2266C was the purple version. That version looks F***IN' PIMP!
 
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I was interested in the VM but yes it had a few things that were off putting for the vintage enthusiast rather than welcome improvements:
  • The Idea that the amp was a riff on the JTM JMP jumper channel +master was not really advertised. The whole of Marshalls pitch was "Look it's Slash!"
  • Reverb :gurmpy: and to make it even better it's digital
  • Purple was cool but the tolex over JCM front was kind of weird
  • a few die'n a week after they get home does not make for shinning endorsements
 
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Lurking between the personal abuse and the conspicuous glossing over the subject of Reagan's shining war career, there is something important being overlooked.

Marshall Amplification is in deep brown stuff.

IMO, the company has not been right since some of the design/development team decided to it was time split and start Blackstar. The current management does not command the respect or loyalty that was freely given to the late Jim Marshall. In blunt terms, people liked Jim so much that they were willing to overlook shortcomings in the products. Today, people are less forgiving. More importantly, customers can buy a digitally modelled "Marshall" sound from almost any manufacturer and often for less money.

A contact that I have in music retail will happily count on the fingers of one hand the "seriously good" Marshall amplifiers. In his opinion, they would do better to concentrate on those plus loudspeaker cabinets and hive off all of the budget products to Asia. Perhaps, the current management has arrived at the same conclusion? A major manufacturer could be about to go boutique.
 
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Thanks to freedom of information legislation, you can find pretty much all of the information that there is to be found on the military service history of US political figures by trawling the Interweb. The spin that is put on each individual's record (or lack of one) will depend on who is giving the account. I could say more and/or post links but that would probably be out of line.
 
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I'm not going to get into politics here, but if that's what you do then I feel sorry for the unsuspecting students that you indoctrinate with your skewed, biased, and contrived historical perspectives.
I'm pretty sure i've said similar to this to you, before.
 
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Certain people have turned an otherwise interesting thread into a sh*t show. Why am I not surprised? Good Gawd, y'all.
 
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I haven't owned a Marshall for many years and haven't been tempted by anything they've produced for a while. I don't need multiple channels or modes and have felt for a long time that they were missing a simple two channel medium priced combo from their range. This is exactly what the DSL 40C is and is the first Marshall I've been seriously interested in in a long time. As long as it's actually a decent sounding reliable amp I think they're going to clean up with this one.
 
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I was interested in the VM but yes it had a few things that were off putting for the vintage enthusiast rather than welcome improvements:
  • The Idea that the amp was a riff on the JTM JMP jumper channel +master was not really advertised. The whole of Marshalls pitch was "Look it's Slash!"
  • Reverb :gurmpy: and to make it even better it's digital
  • Purple was cool but the tolex over JCM front was kind of weird
  • a few die'n a week after they get home does not make for shinning endorsements

They had some problems with parts manufacturers that delivered components that actually strayed very far from what the people of Marshall were asking for. They worked out all of the kinks pretty early.

I do however agree on the nay to digital reverb. They could at least have put a big spring tank in there if they really felt they -needed- a reverb.
 
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Marshall Amplification is in deep brown stuff.

IMO, the company has not been right since some of the design/development team decided to it was time split and start Blackstar. The current management does not command the respect or loyalty that was freely given to the late Jim Marshall. In blunt terms, people liked Jim so much that they were willing to overlook shortcomings in the products. Today, people are less forgiving. More importantly, customers can buy a digitally modelled "Marshall" sound from almost any manufacturer and often for less money.

A contact that I have in music retail will happily count on the fingers of one hand the "seriously good" Marshall amplifiers. In his opinion, they would do better to concentrate on those plus loudspeaker cabinets and hive off all of the budget products to Asia. Perhaps, the current management has arrived at the same conclusion? A major manufacturer could be about to go boutique.

I'm intruiged by these thoughts. Marshall has a hit with the JVMs. It was what they had been trying to do since the close of the 80's with various degrees of non-success. The single channel JCM800 were really all they needed through the 80s and what great amps they were for the times. But then the market shifted to wanting more and more gain and channel switching, and Marshall hadn't fully successfully addressed this market shift until the JVMs.

The original DSL's came closer, but most still found the DSL heads best used as a single channel amp. You either set it up for low gain or you set it up for high gain and kept it there.

The TSLs didn't address the market shift because there were too many better 3 channel amps out there.

The JCM 600s had too many problems.

At the same time why forget their heritage of the Plexis and JMPs? For many of us these are the true Marshalls. Part of the problem with JCM900s, DRs, 2205s, TSL's ect.. is that while being ok amps in their own right they didn't sound true to the Plexis and JMP amps. The problem wth Plexis and JMPs (and to lesser degree JCM800s), though, is they need to be very, very, loud. Here was another area where the world had changed.

This is where I thought the VM was a stroke of genius. It could address the need for the classic/vintage Marshall sound and feel, but be usable.

I do agree that Marshall needs to trim down and only address the needs and wants of the loyal Marshall players and customers. They can't be all things to all players. The cheapo Marshalls only hurt their reputation. The new DSLs may address that middle market nitch for affordable playing amps though.

One thing I failed to menton in my original post was that the VM also needed a cab loaded with Green Backs. How many thought it sucked after playing it through a V30 or G12T75 cab?
 
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I was interested in the VM but yes it had a few things that were off putting for the vintage enthusiast rather than welcome improvements:
  • The Idea that the amp was a riff on the JTM JMP jumper channel +master was not really advertised. The whole of Marshalls pitch was "Look it's Slash!"
  • Reverb :gurmpy: and to make it even better it's digital
  • Purple was cool but the tolex over JCM front was kind of weird
  • a few die'n a week after they get home does not make for shinning endorsements

Good points
 
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Man, another of my fav Marshalls discontinued. First the MkIII, then the SL-X, now the VM. I REALLY dig the VM too. Just hadn't been able to swing the cash to get one, even used. Great amp, IMO.
 
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I love mine.

Shortly after I bought it though, I bought a hot rodded JMP 2204. The JMP has El34s, the VM of course the KT66s. But both amps nail that '70s rock/metal tone. The biggest difference is the cleans.... the LDR on the VM is probably the best Marshall clean I've heard, very plexi-ish. The JMP, not so much.
 
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