theory question
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Woodcutter
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Re: theory question
The numbers mark the notes of the scale. for example if you were playing a C scale
1=C, 2=D, 3=E, 4=F, 5=G, 6=A, and 7=B. To play this shape as a C scale you would start at the 8th fret of the 6th string. The shape can be moved to any place on the fret board to change the key. If you started on the 5th fret it would be an A major scale or if you started on the 3rd fret it would be a G major scale.
The numbers mark the notes of the scale. for example if you were playing a C scale
1=C, 2=D, 3=E, 4=F, 5=G, 6=A, and 7=B. To play this shape as a C scale you would start at the 8th fret of the 6th string. The shape can be moved to any place on the fret board to change the key. If you started on the 5th fret it would be an A major scale or if you started on the 3rd fret it would be a G major scale.
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H8Red442
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Re: theory question
This notation is the "shape" on the guitar of your fingers as you pick the notes. Meaning 1 is the root note 7 is the 7th. These are not the frets you finger these are just the progression of notes in intervals, meaning first note second note blah blah blah. If you took this shape and moved it anywhere on the neck the fret your first finger would be on on the sixth string would be the root note. In the case of A major your first finger would be on the 5th fret. Second finger would be on the 7th fret and so on... if you moved this "shape" to the 10th fret you would be playing D major, ya with me?
Remeber that it is a half step between E and F and B and C. that is why C major is B C D E F G A B.
Sune said:
This notation is the "shape" on the guitar of your fingers as you pick the notes. Meaning 1 is the root note 7 is the 7th. These are not the frets you finger these are just the progression of notes in intervals, meaning first note second note blah blah blah. If you took this shape and moved it anywhere on the neck the fret your first finger would be on on the sixth string would be the root note. In the case of A major your first finger would be on the 5th fret. Second finger would be on the 7th fret and so on... if you moved this "shape" to the 10th fret you would be playing D major, ya with me?
Remeber that it is a half step between E and F and B and C. that is why C major is B C D E F G A B.
Sune
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Re: theory question
Yeah I think what you're trying to say is the same as what Woodcutter said. Just so you could check if I understood it right, this would be the notes to pick for a A major scale, if we follow the A shape:
A Major scale:
|5| |7|8| |
|5|6| |8| |
|5| |7| |9|
|5| |7| |9|
|5| |7|8| |
|5| |7|8| |
Is that correct, or am I still not getting it?
h8red442 said:
Yeah I think what you're trying to say is the same as what Woodcutter said. Just so you could check if I understood it right, this would be the notes to pick for a A major scale, if we follow the A shape:
A Major scale:
|5| |7|8| |
|5|6| |8| |
|5| |7| |9|
|5| |7| |9|
|5| |7|8| |
|5| |7|8| |
Is that correct, or am I still not getting it?
Buckeyedog
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Re: theory question
That is the A minor scale which is the relative minor to the C major scale. For a major scale, the there needs to be a whole step between the second and third note. So instead of "5/7/8" like you have it, it should be 5/7/9 starting on the low E string. Then another 5/7/9 on the A string. However it seems that most rock and blues is played in the minor scale, so the one you have above is a good one to practice as well. And like any other, you can move that shape around to the various starting (root) notes on the low E string.
That is the A minor scale which is the relative minor to the C major scale. For a major scale, the there needs to be a whole step between the second and third note. So instead of "5/7/8" like you have it, it should be 5/7/9 starting on the low E string. Then another 5/7/9 on the A string. However it seems that most rock and blues is played in the minor scale, so the one you have above is a good one to practice as well. And like any other, you can move that shape around to the various starting (root) notes on the low E string.
Woodcutter
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Re: theory question
The tabs for for a major using that shape would be this
--------------------------------7-9-10-
-------------------------7-9-10--------
-------------------6-7-9---------------
-------------6-7-9---------------------
-------5-7-9---------------------------
-5-7-9---------------------------------
using the same shape in C the tabs would look like this
------------------------------------------10-12-13-
---------------------------------10-12-13----------
-------------------------9-10-12-------------------
-----------------9-10-12---------------------------
---------8-10-12-----------------------------------
-8-10-12-------------------------------------------
The distance from the first note to the second will always be 2 frets. the distance from the 2nd note to the 3rd note will always be 2 frets.
| | |2| |3|4|
| | |6| |7|1|
| |3|4| |5| |
| |7|1| |2| |
|4| |5| |6| |
|1| |2| |3| |
the numbers don't represent positions on the fretboard the represent the notes of a major scale.
The easest way to see you intervauls work is probably to play a scale on one string. This is the tabs for a F major scale on the 1st starting and ending on F.
-1-3-5-6-8-10-12-13-
This is a G scale on the 1st string starting and ending on G.
-3-5-7-8-10-12-14-15-
The tabs for for a major using that shape would be this
--------------------------------7-9-10-
-------------------------7-9-10--------
-------------------6-7-9---------------
-------------6-7-9---------------------
-------5-7-9---------------------------
-5-7-9---------------------------------
using the same shape in C the tabs would look like this
------------------------------------------10-12-13-
---------------------------------10-12-13----------
-------------------------9-10-12-------------------
-----------------9-10-12---------------------------
---------8-10-12-----------------------------------
-8-10-12-------------------------------------------
The distance from the first note to the second will always be 2 frets. the distance from the 2nd note to the 3rd note will always be 2 frets.
| | |2| |3|4|
| | |6| |7|1|
| |3|4| |5| |
| |7|1| |2| |
|4| |5| |6| |
|1| |2| |3| |
the numbers don't represent positions on the fretboard the represent the notes of a major scale.
The easest way to see you intervauls work is probably to play a scale on one string. This is the tabs for a F major scale on the 1st starting and ending on F.
-1-3-5-6-8-10-12-13-
This is a G scale on the 1st string starting and ending on G.
-3-5-7-8-10-12-14-15-
Sune
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Re: theory question
So F would be like this?
-------------------------------3-5-6
-------------------------3-5-6------
-------------------2-3-5------------
-------------2-3-5------------------
-------1-3-5------------------------
-1-3-5------------------------------
hope I at least got something right this time, this is very frustrating and I'm pulling my hair out :duh:
Woodcutter said:
So F would be like this?
-------------------------------3-5-6
-------------------------3-5-6------
-------------------2-3-5------------
-------------2-3-5------------------
-------1-3-5------------------------
-1-3-5------------------------------
hope I at least got something right this time, this is very frustrating and I'm pulling my hair out :duh:
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H8Red442
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Re: theory question
thats right. you got the F major down. you can just apply that to any key now and move it around the fret board
thats right. you got the F major down. you can just apply that to any key now and move it around the fret board
Sune
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Re: theory question
F Major scale:
-------------------------------3-5-6----
-------------------------3-5-6----------
-------------------2-3-5----------------
-------------2-3-5----------------------
-------1-3-5----------------------------
-1-3-5----------------------------------
G Major scale:
-------------------------------5-7-8----
-------------------------5-7-8----------
-------------------4-5-7----------------
-------------4-5-7----------------------
-------3-5-7----------------------------
-3-5-7----------------------------------
A Major scale:
--------------------------------7-9-10----
-------------------------7-9-10-----------
-------------------6-7-9------------------
-------------6-7-9------------------------
-------5-7-9------------------------------
-5-7-9------------------------------------
B Major scale:
-------------------------------------9-11-12-
-----------------------------9-11-12---------
----------------------8-9-11-----------------
---------------8-9-11------------------------
--------7-9-11-------------------------------
-7-9-11--------------------------------------
C Major scale:
------------------------------------------10-12-13-
---------------------------------10-12-13----------
-------------------------9-10-12-------------------
-----------------9-10-12---------------------------
---------8-10-12-----------------------------------
-8-10-12-------------------------------------------
D Major scale:
----------------------------------------------12-14-15-
-------------------------------------12-14-15----------
----------------------------11-12-14-------------------
-------------------11-12-14----------------------------
----------10-12-14-------------------------------------
-10-12-14----------------------------------------------
E major scale:
----------------------------------------------14-16-17-
-------------------------------------14-16-17----------
----------------------------13-14-16-------------------
-------------------13-14-16----------------------------
----------12-14-16-------------------------------------
-12-14-16----------------------------------------------
Please tell me they're right! I used the shape on the first frets with F as the key, and tehn moved it up to the other keys, I hope it's right.
F Major scale:
-------------------------------3-5-6----
-------------------------3-5-6----------
-------------------2-3-5----------------
-------------2-3-5----------------------
-------1-3-5----------------------------
-1-3-5----------------------------------
G Major scale:
-------------------------------5-7-8----
-------------------------5-7-8----------
-------------------4-5-7----------------
-------------4-5-7----------------------
-------3-5-7----------------------------
-3-5-7----------------------------------
A Major scale:
--------------------------------7-9-10----
-------------------------7-9-10-----------
-------------------6-7-9------------------
-------------6-7-9------------------------
-------5-7-9------------------------------
-5-7-9------------------------------------
B Major scale:
-------------------------------------9-11-12-
-----------------------------9-11-12---------
----------------------8-9-11-----------------
---------------8-9-11------------------------
--------7-9-11-------------------------------
-7-9-11--------------------------------------
C Major scale:
------------------------------------------10-12-13-
---------------------------------10-12-13----------
-------------------------9-10-12-------------------
-----------------9-10-12---------------------------
---------8-10-12-----------------------------------
-8-10-12-------------------------------------------
D Major scale:
----------------------------------------------12-14-15-
-------------------------------------12-14-15----------
----------------------------11-12-14-------------------
-------------------11-12-14----------------------------
----------10-12-14-------------------------------------
-10-12-14----------------------------------------------
E major scale:
----------------------------------------------14-16-17-
-------------------------------------14-16-17----------
----------------------------13-14-16-------------------
-------------------13-14-16----------------------------
----------12-14-16-------------------------------------
-12-14-16----------------------------------------------
Please tell me they're right! I used the shape on the first frets with F as the key, and tehn moved it up to the other keys, I hope it's right.
Woodcutter
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Re: theory question
Thats it, there all correct.
Thats it, there all correct.
Sune
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Re: theory question
Thanks for that, now I at least understand the principle in the Major scales..Is it those scales you use if you example want to solo over some major chords?
And I can't memorize all the notes on the fretboard yet, I think I should learn that before I begin to play any of these scales, but at least I get the principle of them now..
Thanks for that, now I at least understand the principle in the Major scales..Is it those scales you use if you example want to solo over some major chords?
And I can't memorize all the notes on the fretboard yet, I think I should learn that before I begin to play any of these scales, but at least I get the principle of them now..
Woodcutter
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Re: theory question
I use it mostly for soloing over a key. So if the song is in the key of C, I could play a C major scale. Thats a much easier way to to solo aspeicaly on a song with a fast moving chord proggression.
If you us it to solo over Major chords I would just play the chord tones 1, 3, 5, and 7.
Sune said:
I use it mostly for soloing over a key. So if the song is in the key of C, I could play a C major scale. Thats a much easier way to to solo aspeicaly on a song with a fast moving chord proggression.
If you us it to solo over Major chords I would just play the chord tones 1, 3, 5, and 7.
Sune
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Re: theory question
So we say we have a song,. and that the song is in C, and if I then wanted to do a solo out of the C major Scale, How could I then make a solo, when I can only use 3 notes on each string? do I just for example use the GBE strings? Usually when you watch a video or something with a dude soloing over a song, it looks like he's using a million notes.
So we say we have a song,. and that the song is in C, and if I then wanted to do a solo out of the C major Scale, How could I then make a solo, when I can only use 3 notes on each string? do I just for example use the GBE strings? Usually when you watch a video or something with a dude soloing over a song, it looks like he's using a million notes.
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H8Red442
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Re: theory question
Dude on a 24 fret guitar theres only 51 individual notes. on a 22 fret guitar 49 notes. once you hit the fifth fret on the low E it repeats on the A to the 5th fret then repeats on the D and the to the fourth on the G then to the 5th on the and then from the first fret on high E to the last fret on high E. Thats it. There are no more notes on a guitar. So when you do a scale use every note on that scale from the low E to the high E slide around and you can hit those same notes from other strings just on different fret on the same string.
Dude on a 24 fret guitar theres only 51 individual notes. on a 22 fret guitar 49 notes. once you hit the fifth fret on the low E it repeats on the A to the 5th fret then repeats on the D and the to the fourth on the G then to the 5th on the and then from the first fret on high E to the last fret on high E. Thats it. There are no more notes on a guitar. So when you do a scale use every note on that scale from the low E to the high E slide around and you can hit those same notes from other strings just on different fret on the same string.
Guitarist
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Re: theory question
Oh, there's SO much you can do. Think about all the notes on the board and you will start to see if come alive. You'll see the notes that are present in a C major scale all over the place! It's up to you to decide how to piece it together to bring your audience to an ultimate climax!!Sune said:
Re: theory question
| | |6| |7|1|
| |3|4| |5| |
| |7|1| |2| |
|4| |5| |6| |
|1| |2| |3| |
Its called the dorian scale (Correct spelling?)
Its used for speed-soloing.
I find its shape very very painful for playing fast, I like to move straight across, not have to keep shifting where my hand is sitting.
This is also pretty much where I quit taking lessons, because I felt like I was being told what to like, instead of learning to do my own thing.
From this point out, its just practice, learning lots of scales helps, but getting good with a few is more important for now, just play them like a tab, not even trying to solo on them, until you get very very fast and comfortable with it and know what each note will sound like when you hit it.
Then start expermenting with paterns and different things until you develop your own style.
| | |2| |3|4|Sune said:
| | |6| |7|1|
| |3|4| |5| |
| |7|1| |2| |
|4| |5| |6| |
|1| |2| |3| |
Its called the dorian scale (Correct spelling?)
Its used for speed-soloing.
I find its shape very very painful for playing fast, I like to move straight across, not have to keep shifting where my hand is sitting.
This is also pretty much where I quit taking lessons, because I felt like I was being told what to like, instead of learning to do my own thing.
From this point out, its just practice, learning lots of scales helps, but getting good with a few is more important for now, just play them like a tab, not even trying to solo on them, until you get very very fast and comfortable with it and know what each note will sound like when you hit it.
Then start expermenting with paterns and different things until you develop your own style.
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Woodcutter
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Re: theory question
Using just the GBE strings is probably a good way to start. See what you can come up with using just 9 notes.
I great way to learn what notes are where on the guitar is by soloing using only one string. After you've done that a couple times on each string use solo useing 2 strings. This exercise will help you alot (at least it helped me alot).
Using just the GBE strings is probably a good way to start. See what you can come up with using just 9 notes.
I great way to learn what notes are where on the guitar is by soloing using only one string. After you've done that a couple times on each string use solo useing 2 strings. This exercise will help you alot (at least it helped me alot).
