There are some things I just don't understand.

No, The bolt on connection filters different frequencies from the instrument than a neck through or glue on neck. Its inherent to the design.

I would need to review some actual test data across a reasonable sample size of instruments before I accept this as fact.

I'm not calling you a liar, but the notion that bolting a neck on vs. gluing it, all other things being equal, actually filters frequencies differently in a quantifiable way seems counterintuitive to me.
 
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No, The bolt on connection filters different frequencies from the instrument than a neck through or glue on neck. Its inherent to the design.

Maximum sustain is not always the goal or point of an instrument.
There are three ways of attaching the neck to the body of an electric guitar: set necks where the neck is glued to the body with a tenon joint (most Gibson guitars), through necks where the neck & body are made from the same piece of wood and bolt-on necks (most Fender guitars). It is almost a given amongst guitar players, that through necks sustain better than set-necks and bolt-on necks have the worst sustain.





Luthier and scientist R.M. Mottola decided to test this received wisdom, and he published his surprising results in the American Lutherie journal. He made three instruments that differed only in their neck joint construction (through, set or bolt-on). He then carried out power analysis, spectrographic analysis, and listening evaluation on these instruments.The power analysis results suggest that the relationship between sustain and neck joint type was the oppositive of the received wisdom on neck joints. Bolt-on necks had the longest sustain and neck through designs had the shortest sustain. The study also included listening evaluations, where people listened to recordings of single notes and tried to pick out the longest sustaining note. They could not detect any difference in sustain between the different neck designs.
People may have played a set-neck Les Paul and found it to sustain better than a Fender Strat and then jumped to the conclusion that set necks sustain better. What they should have done is compared a set neck Les Paul with a bolt-on Les Paul before reaching their conclusion.
Reference Mottola, R.M. “Sustain and Electric Guitar Neck Joint Type” American Lutherie #91, 2007, p. 52.
SCIENCE!

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No bashing on my part. As I took pains to clearly point out, it's 'My personal bias'. You could be a little more mature in your posts. How about dialing down the temperature a bit?

My post was intended to humourous. Ya know, that good natured ribbing that you always mention. :)

To be fair, I probably should've included a smiley or something to illustrate that, but I hate typing on Iphones.

As for your point, I would say that an immature post deserves an immature response. Saying that you wouldn't spend money on an expensive bolt on guitar because you generally dislike the style of guitars that traditionally have such a feature is all well and good. However, saying that you wouldn't pay a lot for "any bolt on" while ignoring all other specs, because the way the neck is attached somehow makes the guitar cheaper or inferior in terms of craftsmenship or sound quality is both stubborn and immature to me.
 
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In other news, I ****ing love I6.
 
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I would need to review some actual test data across a reasonable sample size of instruments before I accept this as fact.

I'm not calling you a liar, but the notion that bolting a neck on vs. gluing it, all other things being equal, actually filters frequencies differently in a quantifiable way seems counterintuitive to me.

But you will anyway huh?


You get right on that. I am not the least bit concerned about it.

I don't see how you can think you can change a variable in the equation but still get the same result. of crazy
 
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What is i6s post saying?

I feel like an idiot because I don't know what he was trying to point out haha.
 
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Lol see above.


WHAT NOW SUCKA MC

Reading comprehension is such a wonderful thing.

He is talking about sustain in that experiment. I am and always have been talking about frequency response. His graphs actually support my statement

Try again jr. That was weak sauce.
 
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What is i6s post saying?

I feel like an idiot because I don't know what he was trying to point out haha.


  • the relationship between sustain and neck joint type was the oppositive of the received wisdom on neck joints.
  • Bolt-on necks had the longest sustain and neck through designs had the shortest sustain.
  • The study also included listening evaluations, where people listened to recordings of single notes and tried to pick out the longest sustaining note. They could not detect any difference in sustain between the different neck designs.
This spectrograph comparison shows that he measured the fullest range of frequency reproduction with a bolt-on neck, as opposed to neck-through or set neck.


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Reading comprehension is such a wonderful thing.

He is talking about sustain in that experiment. I am and always have been talking about frequency response. His graphs actually support my statement

Try again jr. That was weak sauce.

I apologize - often I can't be bothered to read your posts all the way through, as they smell of old cheese and elderberry.
 
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