Thickening Tone?

bobtrack

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Hey Guys I got my Ibanez a while back (w/blackback pups) and I love the play ability of it. The thing is the tone is just to thin. The pickups helped alot, the stock ones were horrible and the Black backs help alot. Is there any pedal I can get or any tricks to getting a real beefy tone? I'll post my amp settings later if you guys think that'll help.
 
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what amp is it? what strings do you use? how highs your action?
 
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who's on first? :laughing:

I moved my pickups closer to the strings and that fattened it up a bit

GFL

-Hunter
 
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The black backs are thin sounding pickups, if I remember right.

Back off the screws on the screw coil and raise them a bit.
 
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Your tone depends on many different factors, such as (as mentioned above) your amp, your guitar, P/Ups, strings (brand and gauge), string action, and especially, your playing style.

Raising your pickup closer to the strings will only increase your output level, not thicken your tone. If you raise it too much, it can cause problems with tuning stability and intonation, due to too strong of a magnetic field. High output pickups, also, are not necessarily the answer. For example, I use low output pickups (Duncan Lil Screamin Demon, DiMarzio HS-2 and YJM) and have a very thick tone (sometimes it can be too thick). My string action is a little high, and I don't use skinny strings. Normally I opt for the Ernie Ball Skinny Top, Heavy Bottom (high strings from a set of 10's, low strings from a set of 12's I believe). When I can't get these, I go with a set of 11's. The Skinny Top, Heavy Bottom strings give me a very fat rhythm tone, and since my guitar of choice has only 21 frets, the skinny top strings allow me to bend to the high notes when I need them (at times, from the 21st fret C# all the way to an F#).

Also, I've owned several Ibanez guitars and, while they're not exactly thin sounding, their fatness, to me, isn't organic, it's almost a "processed" fatness, if that makes sense. I gravitate to the Mexican Strats, because I can get a fat tone out of them and they're cheap.

Also, your amplifier's Midrange response also plays a HUGE roll in the fatness of your tone. You can have lows for days but without the right mids in your sound, it can sound thin, even with the low end. Not all amps give you good midrange.

And finally, it's in your playing. For me, nothing but very hard playing will give me that thickness I want in my tone. I play the hell out of the strings. Both picking AND fretting. As such I'm a very heavy handed player, a pack of strings usually won't give me more than two gigs. Either they deaden significantly, or pop.

Anyhow, I hope I've given you some food for thought.
 
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yeah, get your basic tone settled before you start looking for a pedal to solve a problem ...

the point is, you should be totally satisfied with your clean tone first
 
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See, I kinda disagree. My primary tone is balls out crunch, so that's always what I go for first. I then tweak it so that it sounds good when I roll back on the guitar's volume knob. That being said, I agree, get your basic tone BEFORE worrying about pedals. With my rig, the vast majority of my rhythm stuff is just amp gain no pedals engaged. I may hit a slight boost to help smooth out a transition lick or something, but by and large, the rest is all amplifier. And oh how I love my Marshalls for that!
 
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Thanks for all the quick replies.
My amp is an Ashdown Fallen Angel 40W combo. For effects I'm runnning it like this: amp - BOSS TU-2 - Stamps Drive O Matic - Wylde Wah and in the loop I have my BOSS compressor and my DD-3.
For Strings I have Ernie Ball Regular Slinkies, and the action is somewhat high. (sorry I'm not really sure how you want me to explain it)
Sorry still no amp settings yet, its at my bass players house at the moment.
 
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What model Ibanez is it?
What string guage do you use?
What cables and patch cables?


Your problem could be with caused be the compressor, I dont think its's true bypass. I've had some pedals that weren't true bypass and they just sucked the guys right out of my tone.

Maybe you could try taking out pedals that dont need to be in the signal path, that TU-2 could be used by plugging it in to your amp's line out.

Also, ask some of the tube-amp guys on here about the best way to set the master volume and channel volume for the best tube driven tone.
 
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How much delay are you using?

Using much more than a small amount of delay will really kill your tone. Especially at high volumes.
 
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You should be able to plug the guitar straight into the amp and get your balls out tone. The pedals should be for flavoring, not as part of the definition of your tone.
 
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How much delay are you using?

Using much more than a small amount of delay will really kill your tone. Especially at high volumes.

Well Mephis.

I have a 900ms delay, with pretty good feedback and I play my amp LOUD. I dont have any problems with it.

Its all about knowing your gear, and what you can do with it.

And using a proper delay pedal as well.


TT:

I have a very thin buzzy tone at bedroom levels, but once the MV gets to 4-6 and the power amp cooks just a tad, the tone is much more beefy, punchy and really growls.

Try running your amp louder and see if that helps.

Also, try new EQ settings.

First I tried scooping my sound, that didnt work, then I tried boosting my midrange hard, that didnt work. Then i rolled off a bit of treble (ENGLs are very brigt amps) and not boosting the mids, and there was my tone :)
 
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Ibanez CS-9 Re-Issue. Speed 2, Width 3, second output jack. Its not gonna be chorusy at all, in fact its not gonna sound like anything except like your ampX5.
 
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