This is my experiment. Now what?!

waltschwarzkopf

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Hi guys,

I have an old HSS Strat with which I started experimenting not so long ago. It has two stock ceramic single coils (~5kOhm) and a stock hot output humbucker (~15kOhm). Since I am a big fan of Steve Morse I wanted to install a tune-o-matic bridge and make it HSSH configuration, but since that involves routing and some non-reversible mods I started messing around with the pickups and wiring instead. Therefore, I installed one DPDT switch (to select bridge and neck together), replaced the neck single with a humbucker (8kOhm A2) and installed two SPDT switches (to split each humbucker); I kept the 5-way as it was. This gave me a huge amount of combinations. I could “emulate” the combinations of many guitars For example:

• SSS Strat (S-SS-S-SS-S)
• HSS Strat (H-HS-S-SS-S)
• HSH Strat (H-HS-S-SH-H)
• SS Tele (S-SS-S)
• HH Tele/Strat (H-HH-H)
• SH Tele (S-SH-H)
• HS Tele (H-HS-S)
• SSH (S-SS-S-SH-H) my favourite

I think I covered most of them... As I already anticipated, those were too many options, but I still wanted to experiment with the sounds. In addition, I removed one of the tones and made the other master. Then I reinstalled the tone but as a bass control like a PTB circuit. After more or less figuring out what I liked the best, which was the thick sound of the humbucker on the neck for soloing, the highs on the bridge for riffs and power chords and the low volume and gain of the middle (the PU is as low as possible) for strumming. I rewired it again, this time with two DPDT switches (one for neck and bridge together and the other as a “blower”, but in this case is bypasses the controls only but not the 5-way switch), the SSH configuration and the 5-way with the PTB. I forgot to mention that before buying the neck humbucker I placed my current bridge humbucker in the neck; the sound was so thick and loud that the poor new neck humbucker did not stand a chance against it, even in the HSH configuration; so this time the bridge humbucker went in the neck. This was also fun to experiment with, but as I kept on reading and learning, I did one last mod, which is its current state. I removed the humbucker, and installed a single in the neck on the other single in the bridge (tele style), I kept the PTB as it was and wire the switch tele style (S-SS-S). I also rewired the two DPDTs for series/parallel and phase in/out. This is by far my favourite combination; the versatility of “just” two pickups is unbelievable; I used to think that more pickups gave more versatility and sound options… I like the sound contrast between the neck and the bridge, both on parallel reduce volume for strumming and series gives a nice boost for soloing; the phase in/out is interesting to experiment with but I still need to get used to it. I may wire separate tones or separate volumes and leave the bridge raw and use the tone only for the neck. What do you think?

Since these were all “simple” mods, now let us more to the heavy stuff! This was my first guitar (bought in ’99 if I recall), I have played, practiced and gigged with it many times, so the body has many marks that give it a lot of attitude, I could go over the edge and sand the borders to give it a “uniform” worn look. The neck is nice (thin, 21 fret, rosewood), but the frets are wearing out. I bought a cheap maple neck from amazon and I sent it back the way it came, it was trash. Now the most affordable quality neck I can find is a Göldo for about 130CHF, single piece maple, vintage frets and probably thick (http://www.goeldo.de/bodies-und-necks/guitar-necks/1513/vintage-neck-for-strat?c=105). Then put a new white pickguard and leave it at that. Does it seem like a good plan? By the way, I have the wiring diagrams for most of the configurations I tried; I can share them with you if you want them.

Cheers,
Walter

P.P. If you live in Zürich and want to get together and jam, send me a PM.
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--- UPDATE 10.07.2017 ---

I made a minor mod to the tone controls. I removed the PTB (treble and bass) wiring and now have a tone control knob (treble) "greasebucket" style for each pickup. I like the options that it gives me, but the volumes drops too much when I roll off the tone completely from the neck pickup.

I checked the wiring and everything is right, master volume and tone por each pickup. What could be wrong? I have 500K pots (the ones that came with the guitar for those two pickups), I've recently cleaned them and measured the resistance throughout their range adn they are fine. For the greasebucket I'm using the standard Fender values, 0.1uF capacitor between left and middle legs; 0.022uF capacitor in series with a 4.7kOhm resistor from the right leg to ground.

I like to roll off the tone of the neck for soloing and use the bridge for chords, but in this case the bridge is louder. The pickups are stock ceramic single-coils, with DCR ratings of 5.1kOhm on the neck adn 5.3kOhm in the bridge.
 
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Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

I lost track of the actual modifications you're planning to do, reading that wall of text (Could be just my english), but here's one idea to think about, I got when designing similar "chameleotic" ss-ss strat.

What if you'd use two strat superswitches for the combinations. So that other controls bridge side and other neck side. That would simplify the switching a lot. They would be also quicker to use than push buttons and a blade.
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

Thanks for your answer and sorry about the massive wall of text, I just realized that is not so easy to understand. My main are on how to proceed with the guitar itself, I like where it is now and may do some minor mods on the tone/vol but will keep the SS configuration, the series/parallel and maybe the phase in/out.

The issues is that where I live a refretting will cost a fortune and a new good neck plus nut and machine heads will also not be cheaper. Should I retire the old gal and buy a Tele? I have my eyes on a Ibanez TM302, that way I have a brand new tele to wire the way I like best and keep the old strat for experiments or set it back to stock and sell it for whatever I get.
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

Thanks for your answer and sorry about the massive wall of text, I just realized that is not so easy to understand. My main are on how to proceed with the guitar itself, I like where it is now and may do some minor mods on the tone/vol but will keep the SS configuration, the series/parallel and maybe the phase in/out.

The issues is that where I live a refretting will cost a fortune and a new good neck plus nut and machine heads will also not be cheaper. Should I retire the old gal and buy a Tele? I have my eyes on a Ibanez TM302, that way I have a brand new tele to wire the way I like best and keep the old strat for experiments or set it back to stock and sell it for whatever I get.

Having separate phase in/out and series/parallel switches is indeed practical and possibly simplest way. Depending how you're using the controls and what kind of tones you got with those combinations. I've been considering whether or not to go for super switch with my strat, that has series switch and a tap. It's great as it is, but every now and then I end up having to go through two or three switches to go for a tone a want or need... It would probably be easier to have superswitch with two "sets" of tones, even if it means it's less logical.

About refretting, I only have questions for you to consider...

How much you like the guitar? Do you want a new Tele? Could you get a used neck? If the guitar isn't worth refretting, is it worth selling at all (how much would you get from it...)?
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

About refretting, I only have questions for you to consider...

How much you like the guitar? Do you want a new Tele? Could you get a used neck? If the guitar isn't worth refretting, is it worth selling at all (how much would you get from it...)?

I do like it, it was my first guitar. I want a new guitar, but haven't decided on one yet, maybe a Les Paul, a Telecaster a Talman or a Roadcore.

If I put a new pickguard and set it back to standard I'll be lucky to get 100CHF ($100) for it; I've seen strat copies for 100 buck for months and noone buys them, one ofthem went doen to 60 bucks and it is still there... I wouldn't let it go for less than 100, I rather put it in a closet as an emergency or a place to experiment.

I only have two guitars, this one adn an Ibanez RG320MH. The Ibanez is great, nice tones, nice feel and two humbuckers; so I'm leaning more on getting one with single coils or upgrading this one. The thing is, my guitar is a cheap-o-caster and with the prices of guitars these days it's not woth spending 100-300 bucks on upgrades when I can get similar (or better) quality guitar for the same price.

What do you think?
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

If I put a new pickguard and set it back to standard I'll be lucky to get 100CHF ($100) for it; I've seen strat copies for 100 buck for months and noone buys them, one ofthem went doen to 60 bucks and it is still there... I wouldn't let it go for less than 100, I rather put it in a closet as an emergency or a place to experiment.

I only have two guitars, this one adn an Ibanez RG320MH. The Ibanez is great, nice tones, nice feel and two humbuckers; so I'm leaning more on getting one with single coils or upgrading this one. The thing is, my guitar is a cheap-o-caster and with the prices of guitars these days it's not woth spending 100-300 bucks on upgrades when I can get similar (or better) quality guitar for the same price.

What do you think?

If you barely get 100$, it seems a bit pointless to sell it, unless you just have to to get a new guitar. For 300$ tele, I would look at Squiers. Maybe you could find Mexican Fender, I don't know what they cost there (around here, it's either Squier, or some unkown far east brand that could afford.)

What about Pacificas? That would be my first choice for instrument in that price range.

If your handy enough to switch the neck and set it up by yourself. I would advice you to find good neck and tuners for your strat. It could end up much better than most guitars you could buy for the same price. But it's up to you what you want...
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

If you barely get 100$, it seems a bit pointless to sell it, unless you just have to to get a new guitar. For 300$ tele, I would look at Squiers. Maybe you could find Mexican Fender, I don't know what they cost there (around here, it's either Squier, or some unkown far east brand that could afford.)

That's what I though, for so little money I rather keep it as a spare o at my cousin's house to jam wheever I visit.

I looked at some cheap off-brand Teles, like Harley Benton, Gear4Music, Jay Turser, but for that money I rather buy a Squier. I was very interested in the Affinity Telecaster for about 200€ but I didn't like that fact that it was not string-thru-body and that the neck was not a single piece maple. So I went up to the Fender Standard Telecaster (MIM) for about 500€ which seemed like a great deal, single piece maple with skunk-strip on the back, strings-thru-body with 6-saddle bridge. Then I went on looking to Ibanez, great guitars in my experience and I have my eyes on a Ibanez TM302 for 300€, standard tele configuration, 6-saddle bridge, strings through body, rosewood fingerboard and Strat-style input jack! That way I have a brand new tele to wire the way I like best and keep the old strat for experiments.
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

Then I went on looking to Ibanez, great guitars in my experience and I have my eyes on a Ibanez TM302 for 300€, standard tele configuration, 6-saddle bridge, strings through body, rosewood fingerboard and Strat-style input jack! That way I have a brand new tele to wire the way I like best and keep the old strat for experiments.

Looks great. All it needs is tele chrome knobs ;)
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

--- UPDATE ---

I made a minor mod to the tone controls. I removed the PTB (treble and bass) wiring and now have a tone control knob (treble) "greasebucket" style for each pickup. I like the options that it gives me, but the volumes drops too much when I roll off the tone completely from the neck pickup.

I checked the wiring and everything is right, master volume and tone por each pickup. What could be wrong? I have 500K pots (the ones that came with the guitar for those two pickups), I've recently cleaned them and measured the resistance throughout their range adn they are fine. For the greasebucket I'm using the standard Fender values, 0.1uF capacitor between left and middle legs; 0.022uF capacitor in series with a 4.7kOhm resistor from the right leg to ground.

I like to roll off the tone of the neck for soloing and use the bridge for chords, but in this case the bridge is louder. The pickups are stock ceramic single-coils, with DCR ratings of 5.1kOhm on the neck adn 5.3kOhm in the bridge.
 
Re: This is my experiment. Now what?!

Have you tried adjusting the pickup? It could be that the frequencies filtered by greasebucket are that prominent on the neck, circuit is affecting the volume when filtering them.

If adjusting the pickup doesn't help, try 0.01uf instead of 0.022uF cap.
 
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